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Old 02-09-2017, 5:22 AM
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I agree with BRK on his sentiment that their is something very unique about the brazil facesitting videos that does not exist anywhere else. Some of the girls from MF (Lola Mello, Aline Cruel, Karina Cruel, etc.) have a way of sitting on other girls that just isnt comparable to anything else on the market. They're just so sadistic and dominant about it and dont hold back at all. Honestly its some of the hottest stuff Ive ever seen and turns me on on some deep primal level.

Im not entirely sure why this cant be replicated in American and European countries. I think as some other people said it is a cultural thing. The F on M stuff is much more comparable, but when you look at F on F stuff its not even close. I remember that Mistress Tangent from smother.com was good at facesitting girls. That seems to be the exception though rather than the norm like it is in the Brazilian stuff.

Also I agree with bfrug that the subs probably come from a poor background and do it for the money. But I dont think thats the missing ingredient that makes it unique. The dommes have a quality and way of sitting on other girls that doesnt exist in America or Europe for the most part.
The Brazilian dommes have taken it all to a new level compared to scenes filmed elsewhere. It is not just facesitting anymore it is full on facefucking with hard and intense face grinding in ass and pussy. The sheer aggression with which it is done is astounding and is clearly evidenced in the red and swollen faces of the sub girls at the end. Some might say that a domme sitting still and full weight directly on the sub girls nose and mouth will make it harder to breath than with grinding but I am sure the intense grinding must be very hard to endure. As a sub I can imagine it being incredibly hard to endure with not only the constant hard grinding on your nose and face but also dealing with the copious quantities of baby oil the dommes use for face grinding. It must get up your nose, in your mouth and in your eyes.

I particularly like it when there are two or more dommes busy working the sub girl over. They always seem to make a point of being very quick when switching over to ensure the sub girl has no respite. While the one is fucking the subs face the other is holding her head facing straight up so that she cannot move her face to the side to get some relief. If there is a third she will sit accross the subs body holding her down and keeping her hands at her side so that she cant push the sitter off. Now for a sub doing it for the money rather than being a true submissive those 30 to 40 minutes must seem like an eternity.

In many scenes it is quite clear the dommes not only really enjoy doing it but get very turned on by it. The hard erect nipples and wet gooey pussies show this clearly. The chances of seeing USA or European producers doing anything remotely close to it is virtually zero.
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Old 02-14-2017, 2:05 PM
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Old 02-28-2017, 11:16 PM
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This is true, the Brazilian sites are the only ones where the sub girl isn't supposed to be sexy too. It's like the domme is putting on a show for us and making sport of the less attractive sub. That dynamic cannot be found in US clips.
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Old 03-08-2017, 2:19 AM
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I agree with the consensus here. The Brazillian sites just aren't surpassed by anyone else. As a fan of larger women, the squashing and smothering videos they have done are without peer. I, too, wish I could understand what the women are saying, because it sounds like it takes verbal domination to a new extreme, although just the tone of voice the women use more than gets the point across.

Since I identify with the submissives in the videos, I have to say that the punishment they experience is very real, and for me is so much more erotic that the U.S. girl-on-girl squash/smother videos like petite vs plump and others. When the smaller woman (or man in many of the videos) is flailing around and screaming or weeping, it makes it seem all the more real for me. I guess it all comes down to everyone's individual fantasies, but for me, the more realistic and brutal the treatment seems, the hotter it all is.

I do acknowledge that there is likely a political/economic factor in play in just how far the videos can go and how much the subs are willing to endure for money, but I also don't want to make blanket assumptions either. I know that for me in a session. I want to really be put in a place where I am completely helpless and be used as nothing more than a thing to be squashed or smothered, and I have often had difficulty convincing women that it's ok to be more intense (I guess I have been lucky to have met women who wanted to make sure not to go to far, which is a quality problem). I've never been a huge fan of the "how much can the sub take and still be cool" genre, but again--different strokes for different folks.
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Old 03-08-2017, 7:44 AM
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I feel like the acting and roleplaying is so realistic and extreme by US standards, is there perhaps an actual subculture of f/f facesitting in Brazil? Like would it not be unheard of for a small annoying girl in school or college to get overpowered by a couple of amazon-size big bunda girls and made to smell and lick their asses? Of course these are porn-video stories, but perhaps this is happening out there on the regular and so the girls innately feel and know how to properly dominate and put in place a sub.
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Old 03-24-2017, 4:58 AM
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LOL, it is wishful thinking I'm afraid.

Bottom line is, as others have stated, Brazil has poverty like other Countries, especially UK/USA/Australia etc, could not understand. The females in favelas are desparate to make money and THAT is why we don't see it in other Countries. No subcultures, sects or areas where women make others lick their ass! Just desparate women being paid to feed our desires.
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Old 03-24-2017, 6:01 AM
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LOL, it is wishful thinking I'm afraid.

Bottom line is, as others have stated, Brazil has poverty like other Countries, especially UK/USA/Australia etc, could not understand. The females in favelas are desparate to make money and THAT is why we don't see it in other Countries. No subcultures, sects or areas where women make others lick their ass! Just desparate women being paid to feed our desires.
I think that the poverty situation does explain the sub girls being prepared to take so much punishment for money. It does not really explain the real aggression of the dommes. They seem to genuinely have complete contempt for the sub girls and go out of their way to be as nasty as possible. They often laugh loudest when the sub girls are really struggling and it is quite clearly not an act. They do not show even the slightest bit of sympathy or remorse. For a woman to slap a smaller girl that hard in the face as they often do in these scenes means you got to be pretty unfeeling.
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Old 03-24-2017, 1:37 PM
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Hmmmmm, that is a very good point!
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Old 03-24-2017, 11:28 PM
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I think that the poverty situation does explain the sub girls being prepared to take so much punishment for money. It does not really explain the real aggression of the dommes. They seem to genuinely have complete contempt for the sub girls and go out of their way to be as nasty as possible. They often laugh loudest when the sub girls are really struggling and it is quite clearly not an act. They do not show even the slightest bit of sympathy or remorse. For a woman to slap a smaller girl that hard in the face as they often do in these scenes means you got to be pretty unfeeling.
I'm only guessing here but I should think that the dommes are from a "higher class/OK for money group" & genuinly look down on the "poverty struck" sub Ladies.
Of course, they could just have a genuinly "hard" attitude.
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Old 03-27-2017, 12:17 AM
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Im brazilian, Ive followed Brazil facesitting, farting and trampling/feet movies for at least 15+ years and I think I can help you guys with some things.

WHEN IT COMES TO THE DOMMES:
I can say most of the times you guys arent missing much by not understanding what they say. It is pretty clear that the dommes are trained to say some things, their lines are always very limited and similar, unless it's some of the older more experienced dommes. In older movies you could hear the producer or the person behind the camera whispering every line the domme should say a few seconds before (to me that is a big turn off).

The dommes are probably also trained in how they are supposed to smother/facesit (maybe they show a few rough videos), and only in the last few years they started to get a lot more agressive. I think the producers have figured out how to teach and prepare the dommes mindsets and that reflects in the studios. You can clearly see diference in the agressiveness if you compare NewMFX, MFVideo, Brazil Smother/Femdom/Fetishfilms. If you see videos from the same actress, they usually seem more mean in NewMFX and MF videos.

Still a lot of actresses arent mean, some of them take some time and many videos to get to that point. Priscilla/Alessandra Marques is one of my favorites, her body used to be amazing, but she took a LONG time to become a good facesitter, she used to sit and have a face like she was just doing her job and couldnt wait to the video is over.

Another thing that seems to help is to put a meaner and more experienced domme with a new one in one video, the new one learns quickly. There are a few examples, but the first one that comes to mind is a newmfx one with Carol C and Nicole Bittencourt, where Carol basically showed to Nicole that she should sit/jump and rub her pussy and ass in the slaves face with no mercy, and after that Nicole got a lot meaner.

This example and the producer manipulating actresses seem to be like those old psychology experiences (the prison experiment and the shock ones, I cant remember the names) that teach us that most people can act like psychopats when they are playing a role and if they have someone telling them what to do, if you add that and many experiences maybe the person actually turns into a domme

I also believe, like someone mentioned in another post, that there might be bonuses for a more agressive behavior, or maybe just the fact that the producers will like it and youll probably be hired for more videos, and that's what drives these girls, in fact most of them are porstars and HOOKERS/ESCORTS ($$$$$$$).
Since they are hookers/escorts, they also have experience in fetishes and with clients that want to be slaves, although it's probably lighter domination.

***another important thing is that in some videos you can see they were drinking before. I think the producers buy some alcohol before to "warm up" the domme.

Even with all that I still see a lot of actresses just doing their job, they are just good a faking it, only a few really seem to bigger sadistic side, and it took me a long time to realize that, but the good thing is after that I could stop living so much in the fantasy and now I have a more realistic approach.

WHEN IT COMES TO THE SLAVES:
Ive seen the facebook pages and the slaves are mostly poor and some the actresses are aswell, but not poor enough to justify taking that punishment. One thing you guys have to consider is that throughout most of the years there have been like 3-4 main slaves, like Fabi and Mel, and Mel is obviously lesbian (or at least bi). The other slaves mostly came and go, some also were clearly lesbian.

(a theory) Also I think they make the deals in packages of movies both with the dommes and the slaves, like lets say 5 movies, I think that's a easier way to trick the new slaves. The producers probably make a contract and say "youll get this money but youll need to make x amount of movies". So the slave makes the first movie, ends up horrified but has to go back and complete a few more to finish the contract. That's why we see some slaves and dommes making very few movies and never returning.

To me is still unclear why some slaves have stayed, Ive seen the producers trying to downplay some of the awful things that happen and act like they are on the side of the slave. Im sure they try to create some sort of fake friendship and fun enviroment in order for the slave to come back, there has to be some kind of mind manipulation in play there.

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Old 03-27-2017, 12:41 AM
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by the way, does anyone know what happened to Mfvideofetish? they havent uploaded anything in like 2 months
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Old 03-27-2017, 5:07 AM
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Im brazilian, Ive followed Brazil facesitting, farting and trampling/feet movies for at least 15+ years and I think I can help you guys with some things.

WHEN IT COMES TO THE DOMMES:
I can say most of the times you guys arent missing much by not understanding what they say. It is pretty clear that the dommes are trained to say some things, their lines are always very limited and similar, unless it's some of the older more experienced dommes. In older movies you could hear the producer or the person behind the camera whispering every line the domme should say a few seconds before (to me that is a big turn off).

The dommes are probably also trained in how they are supposed to smother/facesit (maybe they show a few rough videos), and only in the last few years they started to get a lot more agressive. I think the producers have figured out how to teach and prepare the dommes mindsets and that reflects in the studios. You can clearly see diference in the agressiveness if you compare NewMFX, MFVideo, Brazil Smother/Femdom/Fetishfilms. If you see videos from the same actress, they usually seem more mean in NewMFX and MF videos.

Still a lot of actresses arent mean, some of them take some time and many videos to get to that point. Priscilla/Alessandra Marques is one of my favorites, her body used to be amazing, but she took a LONG time to become a good facesitter, she used to sit and have a face like she was just doing her job and couldnt wait to the video is over.

Another thing that seems to help is to put a meaner and more experienced domme with a new one in one video, the new one learns quickly. There are a few examples, but the first one that comes to mind is a newmfx one with Carol C and Nicole Bittencourt, where Carol basically showed to Nicole that she should sit/jump and rub her pussy and ass in the slaves face with no mercy, and after that Nicole got a lot meaner.

This example and the producer manipulating actresses seem to be like those old psychology experiences (the prison experiment and the shock ones, I cant remember the names) that teach us that most people can act like psychopats when they are playing a role and if they have someone telling them what to do, if you add that and many experiences maybe the person actually turns into a domme

I also believe, like someone mentioned in another post, that there might be bonuses for a more agressive behavior, or maybe just the fact that the producers will like it and youll probably be hired for more videos, and that's what drives these girls, in fact most of them are porstars and HOOKERS/ESCORTS ($$$$$$$).
Since they are hookers/escorts, they also have experience in fetishes and with clients that want to be slaves, although it's probably lighter domination.

***another important thing is that in some videos you can see they were drinking before. I think the producers buy some alcohol before to "warm up" the domme.

Even with all that I still see a lot of actresses just doing their job, they are just good a faking it, only a few really seem to bigger sadistic side, and it took me a long time to realize that, but the good thing is after that I could stop living so much in the fantasy and now I have a more realistic approach.

WHEN IT COMES TO THE SLAVES:
Ive seen the facebook pages and the slaves are mostly poor and some the actresses are aswell, but not poor enough to justify taking that punishment. One thing you guys have to consider is that throughout most of the years there have been like 3-4 main slaves, like Fabi and Mel, and Mel is obviously lesbian (or at least bi). The other slaves mostly came and go, some also were clearly lesbian.

(a theory) Also I think they make the deals in packages of movies both with the dommes and the slaves, like lets say 5 movies, I think that's a easier way to trick the new slaves. The producers probably make a contract and say "youll get this money but youll need to make x amount of movies". So the slave makes the first movie, ends up horrified but has to go back and complete a few more to finish the contract. That's why we see some slaves and dommes making very few movies and never returning.

To me is still unclear why some slaves have stayed, Ive seen the producers trying to downplay some of the awful things that happen and act like they are on the side of the slave. Im sure they try to create some sort of fake friendship and fun enviroment in order for the slave to come back, there has to be some kind of mind manipulation in play there.
Thanks for the detailed post. I think it really helps to get a perspective from someone living in /brazil. I suppose at the end of the day I should just be really happy that they produce the content I love!
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Old 03-27-2017, 5:22 AM
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Yes, thank you so much for that detailed post duwhla. Full disclosure, I'm Latino from the US, my family is Puerto Rican, so I do follow some of the Portuguese in the videos. And you're correct, the older videos from the early 2000s were not having as much sadistic dommes as the productions in the last 2-3 years. The producers have definitely hit the sweet spot now, although the older videos were also leagues ahead compared to what producers in the US and Europe were producing in terms of f/f domination.

I do wonder though, why only Brazil? I'd love love love for similar material to start coming out of Venezuela or Colombia or Dominican Republic or Puerto Rico. I'm also thinking what about other places around the world like Philippines or Thailand or Cambodia or India or Egypt? I see lot of amateur porn videos from these similar poverty level places all over pornhub, I know some of the latter places in Asia and Middle East are extremely conservative but people in poverty do what they do regardless. Gotta make this go worldwide lol.
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Old 04-01-2017, 4:24 AM
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Yes, thank you so much for that detailed post duwhla. Full disclosure, I'm Latino from the US, my family is Puerto Rican, so I do follow some of the Portuguese in the videos. And you're correct, the older videos from the early 2000s were not having as much sadistic dommes as the productions in the last 2-3 years. The producers have definitely hit the sweet spot now, although the older videos were also leagues ahead compared to what producers in the US and Europe were producing in terms of f/f domination.

I do wonder though, why only Brazil? I'd love love love for similar material to start coming out of Venezuela or Colombia or Dominican Republic or Puerto Rico. I'm also thinking what about other places around the world like Philippines or Thailand or Cambodia or India or Egypt? I see lot of amateur porn videos from these similar poverty level places all over pornhub, I know some of the latter places in Asia and Middle East are extremely conservative but people in poverty do what they do regardless. Gotta make this go worldwide lol.
I would love to see other countries produce content like Brazil. I have seen that MF have a Europe Fetish site that produces clips using Eastern European girls. The dommes they use are pretty cruel and nasty too. I have seen Slapping clips where the dommes really lay into the slaves with seriously hard slaps and intense verbal abuse. They dont have much pure facesitting stuff though. The girls are very hot indeed but they don't have the wonderful big rounded butts like the Brazilian girls!
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Old 04-01-2017, 10:45 AM
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I don't think the economics come into play as much as it's the director sticking to his formula and that is what he likes. You can find submissive women in the U.S. as well if you ever watch degrading blowjob clips, taking a lot of slaps from men. I don't know if you'll find a woman here that will go on with full acne and without makeup while the other woman is dolled up.

As for the dommes, a little coaching or natural proclivity is all they need, if you watch they really only smother the girls for about 15 seconds at a time, and as someone else said, their lines are pretty repeatable: "Abre boca", "suck", "lick", "Quieta".

They also used to have skinny guy subs that were just props, but it seems like they've switched to cool/rich guys, Americans in some cases. Dropoff there, but not with the F/F.

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