Are facesitting websites still profitable? [Archive] - Mistress Destiny's Femdom Forums

TOBOY

02-21-2008, 10:41 PM

Please note; This could be better suited for the discussions group, but I feel as if it's an important topic, and would like to get the attention of the most people as possible. I've included some pics!

I remember years ago I would be giddy at the end of the month when my favorite sites (fetish.com & anaconda.com) would update with up to 12 new videos for sale each month. When file sharing websites like youtube came along, the new releases stopped all together. It seems the fetish video industry is struggling, just as the music business has been after napster came along. However this is such a smaller market, and I would hate to see it go away.

I'm glad to see fetish.com has adapted and have a youtube like site in fetishpal.com. I don't think it's something they would have wanted to do years ago, but sometimes you have to take a step back to get two steps forward.

I think it's also important to support these companies, and purchase their products. Don't just get off on a 2 min. clip, and wait for the next hot trailer featuring your favorite mistress to be posted!

Am I right on my analysis? Maybe, I'm way off and the sites are making more money than ever. Perhaps they are just making more money on clips than website memberships and DVD sales.

It seems everyone and their mother have a clips4sale site. Are these stores making lots of money, or at least the ones in the top 50?

I've always wanted to start a site, and am thinking of starting small by opening a clipstore. If people enjoy the material and it's profitable then I may expand. I'm probably dreaming like a whole lot of you here. I mean who wouldn't want to do this kind of stuff for a living??

What are the most important qualities for this biz? contacts? web savvy? photography/videography skills? having lots of start-up money? location?

Attached find some hot pics from a site that doesn't offer this hot shit anymore!

Thanks

Dibble

02-22-2008, 12:43 AM

Hi Toby,

It’s a very good question. For me, there is nearly a good-will element in subscribing to a website as I could always wait for longer and get even more stuff for the same amount of money.

My guess is that some are and some aren’t.

One thing that always strikes is that some membership sites give a lot more than others do for the same amount of money. Having said that, when I look at how much a site gives me I don’t just count number pictures and video clips. I imagine it costs a lot more money to hire the most attractive models and spend money on good outfits.

I also think that how many people subscribe to sites isn’t simply a matter of how much they put on their site but how much marketing do is a big factor as well.

So my guess is that the profitable companies are the ones who do the most marketing and get people to subscribe to their sites while providing them with the least amount of material and incurring the expenses to produce it.

Another thing that strikes me is if they are done right websites could be good long term investments. If the company makes high-resolution pictures and videos, they could earn an income from their sites for a long time after they stop making new material. People who have never joined the site before will still pay to come and download all their material even if nothing new is being added. Of course if they make low resolution pictures and videos, they have probably screwed themselves at the speed at which computer monitor resolution is likely to increase.

underher1

02-22-2008, 10:54 AM

Actually,,,
When it comes to the success of "websites" from a membership standpoint only the actual webmasters know for sure. I do know that a large part of success is "retention",, that is,, holding on to members once they have joined.
Usually the key there (obviously) is how often they update with stuff that is actially "New",,,,,,,,,,,,,.

Some sites have an operational "machine" in place cranking out new stuff on a regular business-like schedule,, others do a "few" shoots every once in a while and then spend months "updating" simply from different "stills" or angles of the same shoots only displayed in different gallery groupings.

The true porn fan can EASILY tell the difference between sites of actual new content, and the sites simply using "new" galleries of old content. While those true fans end up potentially being the 'loyal' long term (profitable) members of even the new 'content' sites there is still a lot of "fickle" folks in the porn world no matter what.,, So "loyalty" can be an "over-assumed" factor and diminished simply by the nature of the "fickle" beast with "profits" varying up and down on that.
Marketing is also KEY,,,. With the saturation of all the TGP's and MGP's commonly used for "sample outputs" it doesn't take long for a hard-core porn surfer to figure out which sites keep showing the 'same' stuff over and over, month after month, and the ones that actually have new content,, That marketing avenue, (tgps etc,, way over done BTW,, like the 'ole "pop-up" days) can be a double edged sword. Sites bombarding them with old content are sending that message,, "old content, don't bother",,sites with new content vice-versa,, (good marketing) The good sites with frequent new real content also have the most powerful marketing tool,,, word of mouth.

Personally, as a real porn fan,,, overall,,, I prefer my content in the good old fashioned DVD form whenever possible. Not only are the downloads and streams sometomes limited as to "mobility" of what you can view it on, they are sometimes choppy, Besides,,I can only spend so much time watching it on a computer.

With the advent of these high tech large screen TV's nothing's better than getting "relaxed" (away from the damn puter) and seeing good quality porn on a "big screen" TV. Not to mention having more control over the visuals settings such as color, brightness, pausings, slow motions etc. is much better, (as far as I'm concerned)

Gee,, isn't that why they made these big screens ??? for Sports and Porn ? ? *chuckle*

Marco

02-22-2008, 11:03 AM

I think we have the same problems like the normal porn industry too - more and more and more and more content is coming and most for free.

For 5 years there was maybe 5 facesitting websites - now we have more then 50 facesitting websites and 100´s of amateur stores.

romulus

02-22-2008, 11:57 AM

Underher, you brought up a good point. Many people still prefer DVDs over downloadable clips or ppv movies just because the quality is so much better and there is more control over how you can view a movie (menu chapters, all the things you mentioned, etc.).
But then there is privacy concerns and also "impulse buying" or "people who want it now", which is why most sites should have a ppv area where customers can download the movie if they want right then and there and hide it on their computer or delete it or password protect it.

Marco is right about the saturation of fetish porn. More and more companies are producing it and more amateur stores are as well, and for cheaper and for just small cheap scenes so that gives the customer even more choices.

But what I think what it comes down to is quality--the beauty of the girl and the kind of action you want to see that regular porn companies can't produce because they dont understand the fetishes because they are only making them to profit, not to really get off on their own videos. Trust me, when we make a video at www.Romanvideo.com, it is not just for profit . We jerk off to it as much as anyone who buys it.

Toboy, you can still make your investment back by creating a clips4sale store, but it may take you longer to build up a customer base. You should at least figure out how to make movies that nobody else has made or come up with some original ideas for movies rather than just crank out facesitting scene after facesitting scene. Something you yourself fantasize about will really make your videos unique to some degree. many discussions have addressed this topic already.

underher1

02-22-2008, 2:15 PM

Well,,, romulus,,, I think overall, in general, the net as a porn medium is simply going thru it's trends and fads,,,, it always will, and has been ever since it (the net) became commonplace .Heck,, the technology has been moving so fast that it wasn't really that long ago that it was shockingly easy to keep a site well in the black. Other things have changed too,,, Heck if ya just think about the (non-porn) nuts and bolts aspect of the "net-world", It really wasn't THAT long ago, relatively speaking,, that High speed connections, large hard drives, fast processors etc. were not only rare, but very expensive, and considered a luxury. Now,,, those things are not only very commonplace, but if ya Don't have them, you are considered to be way behind the 8 ball. All of that changed just within the last 6-8 years or so.

Yes,,, a lot of niches that were 'uniquely" supplied with content by a few originators now see a saturation of others competing. I think that's just the "jump on the bandwagon" effect and it will always be there from this point on. Some will do OK others will eventually fade. Approaching that challenge strictly from a business sense is now going to determine who 'tuffs it out', and who is the most flexible to adapt to their defined marketplace. Although, I agree the "pretty women" and "product quality" are factors and also always will be, it's just not that simple anymore.

It's a similiar phenomenon that TV went thru but TV actually took a long while to evolve in comparison,, We started with black and white, a few local stations, and a very few classic sitcoms etc. Then it was WOW ! color ?
Heck, when UHF came about it was like WOW! more stations ? Now TV is picking up the pace and moving very fast with the rest of the tech world,.Not only the TV equipment itself, but the other obvious,, cable, satellite,, ya da ya da,,

Now,, when it comes to competing in this saturated atmosphere of many, many, sites by using tools like MGP's and TGP's etc. I think a savvy producer should really think twice before falling into it simply because they think that's just the new way to "get it out there" now. (looking for the 'easy' solutions) It was pop-ups before,, top-site lists afte, and now the GP's. I consider myself a pretty up to date hardcore surfer, so from my experiences on the consumer side of that I feel those apparently easy to use marketing tools are really doing more damage than good when it comes to the "image" that is being portrayed to the potential customers.On the other hand, I also think if a wise producer/webmaster really believes in his product, it's quality, and it's content structuring, he shouldn't suddenly fall into the sea of internet humanity (with all the other newbies), Instead,, realize that the cream will always rise to the top but also that it may require a little more unique efforts in the fine tuning of his marketing plan in order to do so. , and stay seperate, different and better than the rest.

Quite a tricky chore nowdays,,,,, but that's what good "business" insticts and education are all about,,, Let's face it, Anybody with a half decent video camera can film sex acts of varying subjects and quality, but Marketing the product is strictly business savvy, like any other mainstream product.

I also know what you are saying about the "privacy" thing on keeping the porn web-based,,,,as opposed to DVD's,, But,,Think about that,, is it really more "private" ?

Heck,, once the DVD has gotten past the arrival stage (in mail) the privacy factor is actually better, Once it's in-house, A DVD can be safely stashed in a private closet if need be. On the other hand, porn on a puter is there to be found by whoever has access to that puter at any given time,,(even by repairmen, remote access, hackers etc.),,
As far as quickness of availability,, yes we are a "want it right now" society. But I think as far as porn that fad will evolve back the other way somewhat, and the actual "hard copies" of the product will return to the preferred choice.

webmasterbob

02-22-2008, 3:24 PM

I think if you put out quality content, you can still make a lot of money at membership sites. Our MeanWorld sites continue to grow... we are making a lot more money this year then we were last year, and last year we made a lot more money than the eyar before.

Clips4Sale, VOD, and DVD's are just other distrubution channels. We take content that we have already made for the membership sites, repackage it, and then sell the clips in different ways to meet different preferences. There is very little extra cost once the scene has been produced and edited.

It's still a great business. :)

--webmaster bob
http://www.meanworld.com

Konoru

02-22-2008, 4:32 PM

I personally noticed a big change when sites like Clips4Sale came along, It may have just been a change in my browsing habits, however I imagine a lot of people would rather go to one place to get everything rather than search out each individual sites.

underher1

02-22-2008, 5:54 PM

Webmasterbob,,,

Yes, your content is "quality" oriented,,, it's great to hear your marketing of the same is working well,,,, As I said,, Quality, and confidence in your product will always cause the cream to rise to the top, You seem to be one of the one's that stands out on your own. and the true (money paying) afficianado can definitly tell the difference..

You are also a good example of my other point,, I don't see a lot of your stuff saturated in these ridiculous mery-go-round TGP's. except ,maybe a few and just occasionaly. A lot of these TGP"S are littered with sites that really don't have much anyway, even IF you can ever get to them through all of the scammy re-directs. It's like looking for good porn and ending up playing some kinda hide and seek video game all night and getting nowhere, or turning over all the shells until you find the one with the real pea under it,, *chuckle* BAD business,,,

I think being heavily "associated" in those type of TGP sites as a major marketing avenue or tool actually drags the quality image down of the sites in them, even the rare good ones hidden in there,unfortunatly., Surfers just get frusterated and simply move on. I know I sure do when I get caught up in them. I still can't believe, or understand just how those things even make money, or good money anyway..

I have to think a lot of them are just slapped together and run by folks who just got some software to set them up but.don't have the first clue about quality marketing of quality products and think they'll get rich quick or something, They are playing a game of numbers and must think porn viewers are all naive or too stupid to catch on to their shell games and get tricked easily into actually buying something from their re-directs. Yeah right, piece of cake huh?,, Big mistake,,, I think they'll fade away in general to pop-up graveyard and the operators will have to go back to their reall "day" jobs wherever they may be.

So quality sites will survive,, they just have to adapt more frequently to the bloated market, and stay as quality and unique as they've always been.

I can see some real value in the Clips4sale, and other "pay per scene" venues,,it gives the fickle, frugal low end porn buyer a perfect option to avoid the fear of "membership" commitments and the producers still get a little "pocket change" out of them,,, they're happy, you're happy,,,

Rennoch

02-22-2008, 6:17 PM

i use two very simple standards to judge whether content is worthy:

would john put it on smother.com, and would thelantern comment favourably on it.

if it fails that litmus test, it's usually not worth my money.

closerlook

02-22-2008, 8:11 PM

I know I still pay for em. There is a lot of good material out there that takes a little searching to find, but once I find it, I'm willing to throw down some bucks for it.

Mightygil

02-22-2008, 8:56 PM

If we can get Hellgrinder to post here that would be great: he's seemed to have had great success on c4s (and is maybe still working on that masorotica site?). There were so many sites he could have copied yet he's just kinda done his own thing, now look where he is. So, as mentioned above I think originality really helps as well as his customer service: he answers everything, even if it's just to thank you for your support.
Clips4sale changed the way things are done because you could buy individual clips. Even your favourite site is going to have clips you don't like. The problem with c4s is their crappy customer service, where I've been ripped off a few times. A similar site I'd rather support is www.fetishvideos.com where you get a small preview clip/pics that give you a better idea of what you're getting

The over-saturation thing is happening(as mentioned above), but as anything picks up interest there'll always be those looking to cash in, you just gotta find the ones you like

TOBOY

02-22-2008, 10:14 PM

Thanks for all the responses. I also love getting the DVD's...hell I even like getting VHS, because some of my favs are no longer in the industry such as Star Chandler and Angela. I guess I'm old-school. Not a good trait to have when wanting to get my feet wet in this business!

borisbik

02-23-2008, 12:54 AM

It is not so easy for websites to be profitable as there is a large variety of competitors, including free websites.
Some free websites are good, but images and videos are in a lower quality. Besides, I met somes issues with free websites that were full of viruses or Trojan horses ect... so twice this month, my computer had to be restored and cleaned.

In addition, real admirer of dominant woman are willing to pay because it makes the system work. More money for the website= More money to find beautiful ladies or to give the models what they deserve.
It is like the music industry. When you are a fan of ROCP and even more a small band, you download their music on itunes and not on peer to peer.

I miss the era when we had very good stuff on smother.com and anaconda.com. Many ladies were beautiful, healthy, without tattoos or percing and weren't as similar as pornstars.
In addition, Anaconda videos were very explicit of some toilet movies or painful domination, with wonderful goddesses as Crystal or Taylor or Anita Cannibal. Because of some stupid laws, you cannot film an explicit golden shower on a slave in the States, whereas your son of 10 may see 10 murders, 3 rapes a day on most TV channels.

Fortunately we have still good webmaster who are doing a very good job on www.meanworld.com or www.romanvideo.com.

Billyzen

02-23-2008, 7:36 AM

I have a great respect and I appreciate all the producers of face sitting movies.

I do believe that most of them are doing this just as a business and the commercial aspect is becoming evident more and more on many websites. (the same reason for why so many in the last 5-6 years. The opportunity seam to be great).

That's good but,... I guess is more likeable for everyone when this is done by a real dominant woman or who is doing that for fun and pleasure and not only because she has to because she is taped and she will be paid for that.

My opinion... This not means is the best anyway.

You may comment or adjust if you feel the need .

Bye !

underher1

02-23-2008, 10:32 AM

toboy,,,

Being "old-school" isn't all that bad,,,,
In fact, it's those of us that have seen the changes and trends evolve over the years, that makes us all that more knowledgeable about a once "obscure" market such as porn.

For instance Nowday's, in this "hurry up" society a fad, or trend, can run for only a few months or a year, but to a lot of newer consumers, and producers, that may seem like ages and they make the mistake of thinking or accepting the fact that things will just stay like this forever.
Hell, I go back to the days of the "corner" bookstore with the flashing window lites,,, usually in the seediest parts of most towns, (those towns that had them)

Personally, I think the whole "internet" itself is still in somewhat of a fad stage and still has a lot of evolving, growing, and adjusting to do. Example, The "interest" was slowing down.a bit toward the end of the "dial up modem" days,, (which was really not THAT long ago, relatively speaking) Downloading or viewing any type of "motion" files was a real pain in the butt. The net then was mostly Pics,,,, then along came DSL and other high speed,,, BAM !,, the fad had new blood and it was off and running again. It was like throwing jet fuel into a dune buggy and taking it to Indy 500,,,, Movies, streams, and quick downloads were now a "reality",,,
Right now,, I think that part of the fad will run a certain course, and just by human nature more and more folks will slowly but eventually migrate back to wanting the actual hard copies to have instead of sitting in front of a puter screen hours upon hours actually "watching" movie content. Not only will that "novelty" wear off, folks are now realizing that having a porn collection that is "puter" based is actually "less private" and such content gobbles up huge amounts of storage space on hard drives.
Then the "net" will settle into what it's best for, a way to stay "connected" to a marketplace for new stuff to 'consider' for purchase with the $$$ flow going to the actual in-hand product,, not to "files" on a hard drive that can be hacked, corrupted, or lost in many ways. (crashes, upgrading tranasfers etc.)

Just my my long range opinion,, but "trends" DO tend to go in full circles, and I think the net "phenomenum" is still traveling only halfway thru that circle..That's where being "old school" helps validate that wisdom, especially if one is going to attempt to project any kind of marketing plans for ANY product..

Good Marketing is not as "cut and dry" as it appears to be to the average consumer. (like just slapping up a commercial and you will automatically make money) There is a legitimate phsycology involved in marketing "plans" that can only be learned with a formal education (college), or from simply being around long enough to see the history of similiar circles happen with a lot of consumer and social things,,, along with having the proper "instincts" to really understand why they do happen, but BEFORE they do..

MrCrypt

02-24-2008, 10:21 PM

I only have this to say:

Fetish porns like facesitting and trampling are quickly becoming very mainstream. The huge saturation is making these fetishes just a normal as blowjobs and anal.

The pros: We will see lots more of this content created from more minds giving a very broad spectrum of content out there and it may even become a common thing that girls may get into more.

The cons: Most of the bigger names in these fetishes (i.e. Roman Video and Smother.com) will see a dent in the profits - however this may push them to raise the bar even more - and more importantly, may give us TOO many choices and those with smaller budgets may get pushed out.

I full-heartedly agree with Romulus; it's 100% about quality.

TOBOY

02-24-2008, 10:45 PM

MrCrypt,

I agree that there is a lot more facesitting material these days such as the great stuff you produce. However, I don't believe it is making it anymore mainstream. You can't teach somebody to like this stuff. We are wired this way...If there is more gay porn produced will straight people start liking it?

buger

02-25-2008, 1:14 PM

I have been into this fetish since the beginning. In 1971 I was in the U.S.Army stationed in Germany. They had bookstores along the streets selling all kinds of books at the same stand. I browsed around one stand and bought a book entitled "The Freaker", and all it was about was smothering facesitting by dominant woman. I can't remember the name of the author. But that's just to let you know how long I have really been into this fetish. I can also remember when you could go to Smother.com and click on videos and access all of their videos that they offered for sale. Now you have to be a member to have access to these movies. Let us not forget what made this fetish what it is today. It is not the few that can afford it all, but a combinatiion of both. Now adays whole movies are broken down into clips for sale which cuts the pie into more pieces, but if the selling of the pies out weighs the profit of the selling of the pieces isn't that better? And I know what you are thinking, Ya'll do this for a living and I am just a bystander. Maybe this theory of clips for sell is making you money now, but consider the loss you may have over the long run due to the fact of eliminating potential buyers of dvds' and vhs tapes that have to save up their money to be able to buy this type of product. I am one of these people. When I save up my money I don't want to have to look a 5 to 7 minutes of sexual bliss, I want 45 to 60 minutes of it! I just like it the way it was! You shouldn't have to become a member of a site to be able to purchase their products! I think that is a mistake on your part. You can keep everything the way it is, just give us an option which way we want to go. Thanks!:think:

noface

02-25-2008, 3:02 PM

I certainly like to see more of the availablity lists for women who will do sessions. It is well worth it to enjoy a 2-3 hr. facesit and facescissor session. The wb list is a good example, though when you get to lighter populated areas it's hard to find the women. Even areas the size of a Milwaukee don't have a lot of lists for this and there have to be ones that will do it. And believe me, I certainly wouldn't be a cheapskate using the service of these! :)

Dibble

02-25-2008, 3:32 PM

I can't see myself ever buying a porn DVD. I used to have a few tapes but I threw them away and feel much better knowing that I don't have to worry about my cleaner finding them.

I don't even play CDs anymore. I just listen to music on my digital music server and watch films on my PVR. I've become used to digital now and I can't imagine going back. It seems a bit of hastle to find the disk you want and walk over to the machine and put it in.

underher1

02-25-2008, 5:58 PM

Well, everyone has good points,,,
I understand McCrypt's mainstream idea,, assuming his use of "mainstream" is simply describing porn in general, not mainstream in the true sense of the word..

In fact, finding such fetishes more "commonplace" or easily may be a better way to put it,,

But,,, overalll, the reasons a lot of such things are flourishing is simply the "internet" fad itself.
Yes,, in the 70's, and even 80's and part 90's porn HAD to be found or acquired at bookstores or mail order. Now it's really even hard to avoid it with the wrong click of a button.

BUT,,, now that content IS so easily available it's to the point it's almost overdone,,,
You can see a LOT more stuff sitting in a chair for a short period of time than you ever could physically browsing thru bookstore shelves..
Having said that I think there comes a time that you can only see certain activities or fetishes so much to realize there's not a whole lot new about any of it,,,
I mean really,,,, how many times can one look at facesitting, or trampling, or flogging, or slapping,, or strap-on fucking,,ya da ya da and not realize it's the same ole stuff with different people in different places doing the same thing over and over,,, What's really new about any of it? ?
I think eventually the net "fad" part will bore everyone back into more interesting things like at least some content with actual plots. Sure the "quality" of the content itself in certain fetishes will always cause them to survive, But the saturation right now and "porn-burn out" that may follow from it will dwindle interest in general.
Not saying there will be a complete fallout,,,,, but instead of folks spending HOURS entranced in viewing it, there will be less time spent and frequency of doing it,,,
Like eventually saying to yourself., "hell, I got better things to do than constantly sitting up all night glaring at a screen hoping to find something new,,,,, iI think I've seen it all for now,but what IS really left to see? I'll come back when there IS something new"

MrCrypt

02-25-2008, 11:11 PM

Toboy, actually, I've never produced any porn. Thanks though. The stuff I've been is mostly Roman Video. The stuff I've posted on DumbFiles is from MANY producers over the years.

Now, to get things back on track here:
I've talked to LOTS of girls in the past both long ago and recently and the contrast about their views on both foot fetishes and facesitting have changed SO much in the past few years. I'd contribute this mostly to the internet, but I have to admit that I am completely surprised. In the past, girls have said "Ew... You like feet" or "Why would you want a girl to sit on your face?" But as things have progressed over the years, girls I've talked to have been FAR more open about the subject. In fact, most of the girls I've talked to were ready and willing to indulge me. So I can say that in both senses of the word, fetish has really become mainstream.

There are a lot of fetish conventions here in Los Angeles, and people that aren't "openly" into it still love to go to them. I'd say this is also a large contributer to it. On the money side, you can imagine that this is HUGE for fetish content producers... Let me explain why:

Many of us knew we were into facesitting or trampling or whatever. We did search it on the internet and found we weren't alone. Correct? But there are those that either ignored it or didn't even know they were into it. This is a given. But when they're exposed to the prospect of it not only existing, but becoming more and more popular, there is a good chance that the person may now feel the need to know more, or even begin practicing it. So, thanks to some simple advertising or a glimpse at something they didn't even know they liked, Masorotica may have just sold a facesitting video, or Roman Video may have just sold a trampling video!

People who don't know they like it, people that ignored that they liked it, and people who didn't know where to find it are a powder keg of fresh income to the fetish world. I see this as "Desaturation". (Like my wordology?) This is the big flood of people that will realize they're into this fetish thing and start the snow ball effect into our entrance into the more mainstream side of porn and even normal every day life.

buger

02-26-2008, 12:50 PM

You are all talking how facesitting is beginning to get into the mainstream of things, just how long do you think it will be before a guy like myself can go to a club, bar, or whatever and be able to choose a girl just for her to sit on his face for a reasonable amount of time? And what I mean by that, is that it would not be way out of the ordinary, it would be more or less commonplace.

Mightygil

02-26-2008, 5:15 PM

Well, everyone has good points,,,

Having said that I think there comes a time that you can only see certain activities or fetishes so much to realize there's not a whole lot new about any of it,,,
I mean really,,,, how many times can one look at facesitting, or trampling, or flogging, or slapping,, or strap-on fucking,,ya da ya da and not realize it's the same ole stuff with different people in different places doing the same thing over and over,,, What's really new about any of it? ?
I think eventually the net "fad" part will bore everyone back into more interesting things like at least some content with actual plots. Sure the "quality" of the content itself in certain fetishes will always cause them to survive, But the saturation right now and "porn-burn out" that may follow from it will dwindle interest in general.
Not saying there will be a complete fallout,,,,, but instead of folks spending HOURS entranced in viewing it, there will be less time spent and frequency of doing it,,,
Like eventually saying to yourself., "hell, I got better things to do than constantly sitting up all night glaring at a screen hoping to find something new,,,,, iI think I've seen it all for now,but what IS really left to see? I'll come back when there IS something new"

A lot of us are here for facesitting, trampling, etc. not some fake made up plot. What's more annoying then having to wait for all this talking about nothing. For me the ideal video has very minimal set up, maybe props (restraints, smotherbox, etc,) and basic outline of facesitting position,etc. but no long plot and memorized lines of dialogue please...

underher1

02-27-2008, 2:56 PM

Mightygil

02-27-2008, 4:42 PM

Not quite what I meant Mightygil,,,,

Isolating one activity like facesit, trample ,will always have it's fans, Most that are "here" are here for that,,, I agree. I am one of them. They are very watchable in shorter "clip" type scenes Of course no one wants to get involved with any "plotting" sitting at a computer, they want a quick bang then move on,,,
I was speaking of the larger porn world in general and theres a lot more to that than short pass around clips, I am just saying that watching a good full length video on something besides a computer, with an hour+ of the same thing over and over with nothing else can get a little mundane after a while,,,

I myself do watch a lot of shorter stuff on a puter, but,,, personally I think the BEST way to watch good full-length video porn is on a large widescreen TV with a remote in hand to control the "settings",, not a mouse. no comparison to that.
To each his own on that I guess,,

I dunno if we're completely off of the same page. I like watching on a tv/big screen and the options are better as well.
In a 'full-length' I think if you mix things up it can be interesting for an hour. A fs video, for example, the women could begin fully clothed and eventually strip to nothing. Mix in some trample/other domination, change locations inside/outside and add things like a smotherbox and it can stay interesting. Without a fake plot.
If by larger porn world you're talking about mainstream non-femdom stuff I have zero interest in that so I can't comment on that

underher1

02-27-2008, 7:01 PM

I think we're on the same page, just a missing each other a little,,

By "plotting' I did mean some variety,,, scene and activity switching and such,,, and a little natural sounding and realistic dailog during the scenes and in the transitions from scene to scene
I didn't mean fake plots,,,,like some cheezy contrived scenes that 'accidentally' turn into porn.
but when you said no plots, I thought you meant the other extreme, like the one's with very little or no verbal exchange going on,, just the activity with a lot of groaning, and yelling nothing but "Oh yeah" type shit,,, like the actors are trying to put on a fake orgasm just cuz they are on camera,,,, Now that is fake to me,,,, Good descriptive dirty talkin' is what I like,,,, *chuckle*

As far as the "larger porn world',, I didn't mean all porn,, I meant outside what's passed around in the forum venues, but Fetish porn in general, and FEMDOM in particular,, I have been a femdom fan since the old dirty bookstore days. long before the net,,, (60's, 70's etc.)
If porn didn't have things like Femdom, I wouldn't have much more than an occasional interest in it,,, especially past my younger days,,, but with "kink" aspects of fetish and femdom it's almost an obsessive addictive thing to me.

Lifechoke

02-28-2008, 12:09 AM

underfemarse1

02-28-2008, 6:20 AM

Here's my take...picking a website is an investment. I've had many WELL worth the money and a few where I wished I could have gotten a refund. For example:

Smother and facesittingbitches: Both great sites I would recommend to anybody...you can keep the videos, they have loads of variety, and the webmasters are both legitimatelly decent people.

X: A website I joined earlier today. It's just not my cup of tea. You come into some of these things thinking your going to get some great stuff and you end up paying for something you don't really want and your out 20-30 bucks...and that sucks.

The flip side is sites like c4s. First, the videos are generally cheap. I'd rather lose six bucks because I don't like the directors style than 30. Second, you get what you want. I've spent almost as much at Masorotica as I have at smother. With smother, I have more to show for it, but with Masorotica, I much prefer the more "real" directing (I like Smother, too, it's just an example).

And then there's X again. Had X been a clipstore, I probably would have bought a seven dollar clip, made my decision, and moved on. Is X a bad site? No, it's one of the more popular sites out there as a matter of fact. I don't want to discourage people from buying there (because I don't want to insult a great company with a really nice guy as WM), but it has soured me on the site experience.

From now on, I'm staying away from sites I don't trust completely . And I wish I didn't have to do that. However, if I see a new clipstore, it's worth 5-10 to check it out. Five bucks is pocket change. thirty is a commitment. Eventually, you get sick of commitments, because you get F'ed over, and you'd honestly rather wing it. Anyway, sorry if this is long winded, it's just my take...peace.

yes sonny boy, you got the racoon by its teeth, most sites are keen on advertisin their frontpage puttin up juicy material, but once you're in theres crap. I mean in some sites theres just 2-3 really good clips out of say 25. I mean its a true waste of dough. I would approve of the limited 3 day trial entry some sites have, where a member can enter and check out the stuff and if he wants to extend this he can, somethin similiar to what John did with his trial smother.com entry visa. This should be the norm fer most sites.

c4s is kinda shit mostly, sometime the clip ain't deliverin the punch and you lose 6 bucks, the same I could have put up on a trial membership elsewhere.

there is a website review board in this forum, tell us bout your experences of website X and then maybe someone can improve the site to your wishes.

just my 2 c's

Dibble

02-28-2008, 8:36 AM

From now on, I'm staying away from sites I don't trust completely . And I wish I didn't have to do that. However, if I see a new clipstore, it's worth 5-10 to check it out. Five bucks is pocket change. thirty is a commitment. Eventually, you get sick of commitments, because you get F'ed over, and you'd honestly rather wing it. Anyway, sorry if this is long winded, it's just my take...peace.

I agree there is gamble in joining a membership site. You might join and find you don't like their stuff. The way I look at it, it's a gamble where a odds are massively in your favour.

For a site that has been established for while, you usually get so much material the first time you join that it's got to be worth taking that risk rather than playing it safe and buying a clip from clips4sale and only putting $6 on the line rather $30 on the line.

There are sites where you get over a thousand video clips for your membership fee. You might not like them in which case you will have got nothing back for your money but if you find that you think these clips are awesome, just imagine how great that would be.

Even if there is only a one in a hundred chance you like the clips, it still seems to me value than spending your money on a single clips from clips4sale that you might not like either.

simon

02-29-2008, 11:40 AM

Absolute words of Wisdom

I think if you put out quality content, you can still make a lot of money at membership sites. Our MeanWorld sites continue to grow... we are making a lot more money this year then we were last year, and last year we made a lot more money than the eyar before.

Clips4Sale, VOD, and DVD's are just other distrubution channels. We take content that we have already made for the membership sites, repackage it, and then sell the clips in different ways to meet different preferences. There is very little extra cost once the scene has been produced and edited.

It's still a great business. :)

--webmaster bob
http://www.meanworld.com

fsfan99

04-11-2008, 4:43 PM

is a great sitting,thx

porter

07-27-2008, 5:45 AM

I have much more sold clips on C4S then money on site membership.
There are no rules. Some guys has buy clips for 70$. Full membership is 24.90$!!!
I really don't understand this.
In past, i've watched preview clips from some site and if i like what i see, i pay for membership and all happy!
Good quality of clips and pics are rules no. 1

Dibble

07-28-2008, 7:07 AM

That’s freaky. You would have pretty stupid to spend that much money on clips4sale store and not to check whether there is a membership site where you could get the same stuff for much less. The difference in value between a membership sites and clips4sale is ridiculous. Even when I find a membership site which I thought was terrible value for money and then I think what I would have got if I had spent the same money at a clips4sale store, it doesn’t feel like I’ve been nearly as ripped off anymore.

You can’t blame producers for selling there stuff that way. If I found to sell the stuff my company makes for ten times as much, I don’t think it would pose much of a dilemma as to whether to sell my stuff that way or not.

Still, some producers who have clips4sale sites have set up membership sites which makes me think there must be some money to be made from membership sites too thankfully and so we won’t end up having to pay stupid money for clips.