Pissed Off

[bustmehard2]

TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:


Hi everyone. Well, I was just browsing the internet, looking for some trample videos....and I came across some Crush videos. Some of you may have seen them, where these women crush little animals, mice, hamsters, frogs, crabs, etc. Now, when I say crush, I don't mean just step on push around. I mean, these fricken people where High heeled shoes, and KILL these animals. Ok, crabs...that's one thing. But Hamsters and mice? WHAT THE FUCK?! THat is plain fucking sick. Sorry for the language, but it makes me extremely upset. You have a little creature....just a dumb little thing, I know. But, DOES THAT MAKE IT RIGHT TO KILL IT FOR ENJOYMENT? I think it's FUCKED UP. Must be some real sick bitch to do that to an animal. In a way, I understand, people have fetishes....but come on. Death and killing should not be a part of it. Of course, who am I to say that, right? Someones always got a fucking comeback. I've got half a mind to report this kinda shit to the animal rights activists....expose this shit, and have people penalized for this. I just think it's WRONG. Does anyone else feel this way, or am I the only one? :2guns: :2guns: :

[mike19]

lol where have u been?.... this is olllllllld news my friend.
the mouse rights activists already know and a law was passed saying u cant produce or sell it in america..... this was like 3 years ago...however its still being made in places like russia.

[UnderGirlsHeels]

report it as much as you like there is nothing you can do the videos are produced in Russia, there is no such things as animal rights over there, iam not saying its right & im not supporting it iam just stateing the facts.

[BootWorshipper]

Originally posted by bustmehard2
TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:


I've got half a mind to report this kinda shit to the animal rights activists....expose this shit, and have people penalized for this. I just think it's WRONG. Does anyone else feel this way, or am I the only one? :2guns: :2guns: :
Bustmehard2,
I think you've brought up one of the main debates in the foot fetish world. I think its good for all of the members to discuss this topic so people can get a general idea of what people want in "crush". I personally agree with you. I simply can't resist women crushing bugs. Someone is going to say "if its a bug or a mouse it is still killing" that is true. No one would care if an ant was crushed deliberately or not but a mouse would be controversial. No matter what live creatures people enjoy seeing crushed it is perverse at some level. For Christians "Thou shalt not kill". This was meant to apply to anything's life taken needlessly. It is a sin crushing these animals even insects. I didn't mean to start a big ethical argument. Again, I sin in the way I take enjoyment from women crushing roaches or crickets but these crushes should be seen as equal to mice or hamsters or frogs. Thats what people don't get. The only way I could see to justify crushing the insects is a plague or infestation and they are spreading disease and such. I would love to see women exterminators in pumps or boots going to a place overrun by insects and "administering justice". The only safe form of crushing then would be food but you don't see the FDA bitching that plants were alive to grow their fruits, grains, seeds, or whatever. A crummy mouse bought in a pet shop to be fed to a snake but purchased to be used in a crush video... it faces death either way but one is moral and the other is not. Sorry if I offend someone along the way but I've been thinking about this myself lately. I would appreciate comments from the rest of you guys and girls about what you think wether it agree with my opinion or be contradictory.

[scotdenell]

That's right 'Home-Boy' where have you been? We had a BIG "blow-out" argument on this about one year ago, and I think i'm the one who started it! The thread may still be availible here, I don't know. BUT!!!!!!!! I do know that it is totally off of the subject of what usually takes place on this board.

Excuse me "you're pissing in the wind" ARAs for the most part have shut down most operations in the USA.

Have you thought about joining a group that stops the torture of humans around the world?

As I said at the end of the last post I made on this subject, if you feel that much sympathy for rodents come live with me in my neighborhood. I've got a couple of nice LARGE rats I'd like to introduce you to, provided we can catch them........:2guns:

[jump]

Even its forbidden in the US, its still practised, yesterday I reported this site (http://www.nudehorsebackride.com/videos_page2.htm) (go to the buttom) to the FBI. The animals are apprently not killed, but still, I think its abuse, specially with the dog-thing at the bottum of the page. I even think to write 100´s of riding-schools to let them take further actions against the site.

Its a difficult question to deal with. We all get excited by watching women use their weights somehow. Earlier I watched some of the crush-stuff also. I knew it was wrong, but my excitment won over my moral, and I think others had it the same way. It was at the time where I entered the Internet the first time, and saw some of the first materials involving my sexual fantasies, or part of my fantasies.

Today I think its one of the biggest danger to our trample-fetish, the connection with the animal-crush scene. Of course other people will find it hard to ever accept our fantasies if they connect us to people that torture animals. We schould be the first to fight it wherever we see or hear anything about animal crush, torture or abuse.

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[turbs]

What's with all the name calling again? Don't you people realise that when you call people with other likes names, other people call us who like trampling names. If you don't like being called a fucken sick bastard because you like trampling then I suggest you stop calling others as well. As mentioned this topic was discussed already previously and it is a dead issue on this board. This is not a crush board.

But for crying out loud let's stop all the name calling, it truly sucks and shows how immature some of our members are.

turbs

[jump]

@turbs:

I agree with you for a big part of your post, but not this:

As mentioned this topic was discussed already previously and it is a dead issue on this board

At least I think it schould be possible to discuss, even it have been discussed before. It might be a dead issue here on this board, but we can´t run from our "relationship" with the people that like animalcrush. They like women to use their weight - and so do we. That meens that - like bustmehard2 mentiont in his opening post - people accidently drops into to crush-sites when they look for trample sites at searchengines. We often use the same metatags (words in the web-documents that is discovered by the spiders of the search-engines). Some people might think that we, the trample-fetishists, are part of the crush-scene or the other way around.

Some mentiont the ethic line: is it ok to crush a bug for pleassure, but not a mouse ?

I think it depend on how we see our sexuality. For me sexuallity is only involving responsible adults that take no other into to the sexual play that are not adults, that don´t involve anybody that have not agreed to participate. That schould exclude even the smallest insect in our sexual life.

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[mike19]

all i know is this topic came and went here already and it was rather nasty at times...the bottom line is some ppl might like it some hate it. I vote we leave it at that and not start with this shit again, afterall this is a trample forum.

[Ritchie]

:matey:

[thound]

Man's inhumanity and cruelty towards his fellow man, starts with his lack of compassion, abuse to, and cruelty towards, other species that inhabit this planet.


I stated my opinion during the last major debate on this issue last year, and it still hasn't changed.


To answer a question (s) raised in this thread...

There is plenty of outrage and outcry in the world today towards the abuse of children and the torture of other humans, starting with and definitely not limited to, Amnesty International.


Just because human rights and injustice to other humans is more important to us as a species, that doesn't make animal rights and the injustice and cruelty to them unimportant


I am not going to get into a debate about the subject, other than to say...

There is a MAJOR difference between acts that involve consenting adults, and the acts of cruelty and abuse that involve animals who cannot give, or humans who are not old enough to give, their consent. You cannot even begin to compare the two. They are and shall always be, on completely opposite ends of the spectrum.


That being said.


I am deleting the links to the sites mentioned earlier in this thread, and that includes the link to the crush forum. As far as I'm concerned, if you want to visit the crush forum, or find others like it, you can search the net and find them. All future links to crush sites and such will also be deleted.

This is a "TRAMPLE" forum, and as such, I want no correlation to and no direct access to, the "Crush" community

If you believe this is censorship, well then so be it, but we as adults, in order to participate in freedoms such as this forum allows, must police ourselves, or else we run the risk of losing our freedoms altogether.

With freedom comes responsibilty.

[John]

Well said, Rudy.....and you beat me to it....

Note : This is about animal crush only....not food, toys, etc...

[thound]

Originally posted by John
Well said, Rudy.....and you beat me to it....

Note : This is about animal crush only....not food, toys, etc...


Thanks.... I was an oaf for not making that distinction.

:banghead:

[mike19]

Rudy if u took the time to look into the crush fetish even a little bit, youd know that having a crush fetish DOSENT mean you have an ANIMAL crush fetish...in fact most people that are into crush are into whats known as soft crush.. such as fruit, cigs, bugs, baloons....the crush forum i posted isnt a animal crush forum. The main forum is for soft crush and is full of nice people.
I'll assume you didnt know this and post the link again, if you still think that any kind of a crush fetish is wrong then delete it and i wont post it again. But alot of ppl might want to explore this fetish and thats the place to go to and its no worse then this forum.


i edited out the link, i dont want u throwing a tantrum..... so ill ask if i can post it, as john said, toys and objects are fine...

[thound]

Originally posted by mike19
Rudy if u took the time to learn, youd know that having a crush fetish DOSENT mean you have an ANIMAL crush fetish...in fact most people that are into crush are into whats known as soft crush.. such as fruit, cigs, bugs, baloons....the crush forum i posted isnt a animal crush forum. The main forum is for soft crush and is full of nice people.
I'll assume you didnt know this and post the link again, if you still think that any kind of a crush fetish is wrong then delete it and i wont post it again. But alot of ppl might want to explore this fetish and thats the place to go to and its no worse then this forum.


i edited out the link, i dont want u throwing a tantrum..... so ill ask if i can post it, as john said, toys and objects are fine...



Mike, I know full well the difference between animal crush and the crushing of inanimate objects. I am well versed and aware of what the 'crush' fetish is and what all it's sub culture entails

And who's throwing a tantrum? Believe me, if and when I do, you'll know it.

You are correct, toys and objects ( inanimate objects ) are ok to post and discuss, but I'm telling you, that it doesn't matter whether you or I or anyone on this board agrees or disagrees as to whether a bug or insect is a sentient being or not.

What matters is the perception of those who monitor and keep an eye on such things and who have the power to shut the community down. THEY are not so understanding of the distinction and THEY do not care how many "nice" people visit the forum.

I just did a search on google, and typed "crush forum" and the link to the "official crush forum" came right up.

If anyone wants to visit and request access to it, that's all they need to do.

In my opinion, this forum is better served, by not being a conduit.

[Darwin]

I'm not a crushfreak but...

Many fishermen catch the fish and throw it in the basket without killing it... so the fish will suffocate and suffer a lot. But there are no politicians
inventing laws to punish those fishermen who do this.

Mouse traps: they trap the mouse´s throat until the mouse dies of suffocation. Again no laws against this. I have seen dead mice on traps and you can
see clearly their little hands trying to remove the metal ring around their necks. Its very terrible.

Cooks throw alive crabs into boiling water...again no politician cares about that.

There are hundreds of examples where human activity causes tremendous suffering to the animals. So... why so much worries about crush?
Anti-crush movement is just another puritanistic movement. They are against crush just because sex is involved.

Much wind for nothing...

[UnderGirlsHeels]

Iam into soft crush bugs food etc...not animals....anyway has anyone seen this link?

http://www.house.gov/judiciary/cree0930.htm

it mentions trample....the copper woman hasnt got a clue she thinks people who like trample like amimal crush:eek: she says that people who like trample wnat to be the victim of crush.. thay havent a clue what they are talking about:2guns:

[mediman900]

bustmehard2,

as much as i hate to say this, but you sound like a god damn canadian :) lol.. ;)

lol please god dont tell me youre from Canada lol ;) if you are then thats it... i give up finding one Canadian who doesnt love animals...


laters,

[slaveallan2002]

DISGUSTING !!!
ONLY STUPID PEOPLE CAN MAKE SUFFER ANIMALS AND ENJOY !!!
BAD HUMANITY, STUPID PERVERTED !

[footsniffa]

i agree whoLe heartedLy.... crabs are ugLy





Milky White will get his props in 2003.
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[slave paul]

Here's another voice for the animal rights lobby! I'm not Canadian though, but English........I suppose that makes me a wimp too?

It is my personal opinion (although I have never, and will never impose my views on others) that the torturing and killing of any animal, however small, for the purpose of fulfilling a fetish or a sexual fantasy is abhorrent.

Although it is true that in this supposedly enlightened age, some people actually still kill and eat animals for food (Eeeeww!!!), there is no reason at all for any of these creatures to suffer more than they need to and to be torured in the process, but unfortunately many of them are, and their suffering and distress is incalculable to us.

As for animal crushers, it's my opinion that they are a bunch of sick, sadistic bastards who I personally would like to see crushed themselves. I used to co-own and run one of the best EVER FemDom Yahoo groups ("Lindsnpaul") and I always disqualified crushers and discouraged them among our membership.

Why is it necessary to hurt and torture and eventually kill another living (and sometimes sentient) creature for the puropses of sexual satisfaction? In FemDom/Dom-sub relationships, one of the parties is used and abused and even physically tortured, but this is BY CONSENT, isn't it?

I think that people who crush animals, even bugs, to gettheir kicks are no different from, and no better than Nazis.

Thank you for listening:)

[footsniffa]

i think sLave pauL wouLd taste great with a side of favre beans and a nice bottLe of chiante'








Milky White will get his props in 2003.
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[bustmehard2]

Thank you all for your opinions. I'm glad to see I'm not the only one out there. To the guy who asked if I was canadian....NO, I'm not, but I'm damn close to the area!!!!! LOL. To everyone else...I think that the justification in trampling, and crushing, is all consent. Trample, has to do with people, people are willing, and the people being trampled are the ones that get the gratification from it. Bugs, rabbits, frogs, whatever, they cannot consent. They're just there. To see a mouse taped to the floor, or a rabbit with it's legs tied, so they can't get away....to be left and killed...I have serious problems with that. Tie up a consenting human, hog tie him, whatever. HE'S STILL CONSENTING. Ok, and to the one that said, crabs are put in boiling water, fish thrown in a basket....that's different. Those things are being used for a legitimate purpose...to feed, to give LIFE. Trampling, crushing, and killing an animal, serves no purpose, other than to help someone get their rocks off. To me, that is just sick, and a waste of life. Again. Thank you all for your responses...and for those who got kind of pissy with my topic, as I had mentioned in a prior post, I travel ALOT, and I don't get to use the internet much. I'm on leave right now, so, I have some time. So, SORRY for bringin' it back up. :mad:

[Ritchie]

:lildog:

[footsniffa]

true, true... to keep things in further perspective.... gasoLine may go up to $2.00/ gaLLon.... and cigarrettes now cost aLmost $6.00/ pack... and the feds are taLking about adding on another $2.00 to that... there are truLy, egregious things out there..




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[byung4]

Life the most expensive spectator sport, No matter what you do some how your either overcharged, overtaxed, or some political group is against it.
Breathing Pollutes so lets stop that
crapping pollutes so lets stop that
sex increases the population, and then we pay more to feed more lets stop that
drive to the store cost more lets all walk cannot do that wear out shoes shoes cost money lets stop all that
I figure it this way.
I am gonna Buy me a coffin, put wheels on it, make it big enough to have sex in, and equip it with a total breath filtration system and a waste processing system
I think if i live in that have sex in that, Die in that will the Powers that be Tax it
Probably

[footsniffa]

right? now, don't get me started on the price of fish in portugaL






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[jump]

Ritchie wrote:

man's humanity toward each other does not start on how he treats other species, it's starts on how he treats other humans. Adolf Hitler loved his German Shepard and would never hurt the poor little thing...compassionate guy, eh?

Not specific, but humanity is in general how the strong treats the weak like:

adults treats children
rich treats poor
people treats animals (bullfighters, animalcrushers)
western world treats the third world (for a big scale)
the healthy threats the sicks

...and so on, at least thats how I see it

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[bfrug]

Hello all - heres my 2 cents worth

Generally I agree with bustmehard2, thound & slave paul. I remember this debate on the old forum and although in one way its going over old ground, don't forget the newer members may not have had the change to give their views so maybe its a good thing to discuss again.

In my humble opinion ;
"inflicting pain and/or suffering to any living creature (that includes humans of course) for any form of pleasure is totally wrong".

Humans that wish to be trampled, sat on, crushed, or otherwise have pain inflicted on them by other humans are of course volunteering themselves to this, wheras living creatures that cannot speak for themselves are not.

Well, thats my bit (should kill off this thread anyway as most that I reply to seem to go that way)

regards
bfrug

[footsniffa]

i hope to keep this thread aLive Long enough for it to turn into a discussion on the Looming war with iraq.... that was a great thread, wasn't it?






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[laputangina]

You had your say, well here is mine:

Most legal prohibitions fall into a similar scenario, thus "morals" are not necessary to prevent society's ills from becoming the norm. Most people who tout "morals" as a reason do so from either an imprinted belief usually acquired in childhood or from a desire to control others. The way to deal with the imprinting is to constantly ask the question "Why shouldn't I do this?" and if you can't come up with a good rational reason you're probably just marching in lockstep to an imprint you received (usually) as a child and you should reject it.

Your response to the crush question is a good example of imprinting. At some time you have accepted a prohibition against hurting animals either sexual gratification or any other matter and although you swing wildly against it even the showing of such hatred towards those who feel that way, you bring up no real reason against it, just a uneasy feeling of "It's wrong" (these are not your words but my interpretation of your response). Regardless of your feelings however on animal crush, there are people who get off on the idea and who would presumably like to see movies depicting such activity. We are left with just a desire to control what other people think, a right you don't (or shouldn't) have in any reasonably free society.

If one gets off on watching someone being animals being killed for the purpose of sexual gratification, is there some reason you have the right to say "You can't think like that". We have more than adequate laws to deal with animal crush since 1997 (probably a copy of the videotape would be good evidence). And so on with your other "Ooops, pull back from this" because you don't approve of (conflicts with your imprinting) or it doesn't correspond with your sexual urges.

I neither condone nor do I encourage animal crush, I just feel that people should be left alone to make their own decisions, and that this conversation is just going to result in petty name calling, hence there is no need for it. People are always afraid of something which they do not understand, and that is quite evident in this thread.

[thound]

Originally posted by Ritchie
I've experienced the world from a very different point of view and, while it's a nice thought, man's humanity toward each other does not start on how he treats other species, it's starts on how he treats other humans. Adolf Hitler loved his German Shepard and would never hurt the poor little thing...compassionate guy, eh?

Struggling to keep this subject in perspective, I was just wondering...how many sports include the killing of animals? I could immediately think of 'bullfighting'....not the fastest way to die, is it? How about a fox hunt? Do they actually kill the fox or just scare the shit out of it by having dogs chase it? I'm sure others can come up with other examples...examples just as repugnant as animal crush. I'm trying to understand why the outrage over animal crush...is it ONLY because humans are sexually gratified from it? Is that the distinction between IT and any other animal abuse?

It is the right of every web site administrator to ban crush material from his/her website but that's where the censorship should end.

(interesting thread...let's hope it can stay civil)





I for one have no problem if people want to debate the issue civilly.

To counterpoint:

You mention Adolph Hitler, and while that may be the case, I could show you hundreds of examples where those who have committed violent crimes, began a systematic and undeniable pattern of torture, abuse, and insensitivity towards animals while young.

Whether you'd like to believe it or not, there IS a link between violence to animals and violence to humans.

Micheal Cartier pulled a rabbit's legs out of its sockets when he was four years old! and threw a kitten through a closed window. Shot Kristin Lardner three times in the head. She died.
Henry Lee Lucas killed animals and had sex with their corpses killed his mother, his common law wife and an unknown number of people

Edward Kemper cut up his two cats--- killed his grandparents, his mother, and seven other women

Theodore Robert Bundy witnessed extensive animal cruelty by his grandfather--- killed thirty-three women

Jeffrey Dahmer participated in the deliberate killings of animals by car--- murdered 17 men

Richard Allen Davis set "cat fires" ---murdered Polly Klaas, age 12

Richard Speck threw birds into furnaces and ventilator fans--- killed eight women

Randy Roth taped a cat to a car's engine and used an industrial sander on a frog--- killed two of his wives and attempted to kill a third.

David Richard Davis shot and killed two healthy ponies, threw wine bottles at tethered animals, poached and hunted with illegal methods--- murdered his wife, Shannon Mohr Davis, for insurance money

Peter Kurten
The Dusseldorf Monster tortured dogs, practiced bestiality while killing the animals--- murdered or attempted to murder over 50 men, women, and children.

Albert De Salvo
The Boston Strangler Would place a dog and a cat in a crate with a partition between them. After starving the animals for several days, he would remove the partition and watch them kill each other--- Raped and killed nine women by strangulation. He would often pose the bodies in a shocking manner after death.

Richard Trenton Davis
The Vampire Killer of Sacremento Bit the heads off birds, drained animals for their blood, killed animals for their organs--- Killed six people in random attacks. One police officer who was at the scene of the first murder confessed to having nightmares about the crime for months afterwards

Luke Woodham Set fire to his own dog, Sparkles. He poured accelerant down her throat and set fire to her neck both inside and outside.--- Went on a shooting spree which killed two girls ages 16 and 17 after stabbing his mother to death. He is 16 years old.


``Kobe Killer'', as of yet unnamed 15 year old boy in Japan Beheaded a cat and strangled several pigeons.--- Decapitated 11-year-old Jun Hase, and battered to death a 10-year-old girl with a hammer and assaulted three other children in separate attacks.


Richard William Leonard His grandmother forced him to kill and multilate cats and kittens when he was a child.--- Killed Stephen Dempsey with a bow and arrow. And killed Ezzedine Bahmad by slashing his throat.


Tom Dillion Randomly shot people's pets--- Shot and killed five men:

Eric Smith At the age of nine he strangled a neighbor's cat, a Siamese.--- At the age of thirteen, Smith bludgeoned Derrick Robie aged four to death. Smith lured the little boy into the woods, choked him, sodomized him with a stick, then beat him to death with a rock.

Jack Bassenti When his dog had puppies, he buried all but one of them alive--- Raped and murdered three women

David Berkowitz
Son of Sam poisoned his mother's parakeet out of jealousy--- shot thirteen young men and women
six people died and at least two suffered permanent disabilities

Arthur Shawcross Repeatedly threw a kitten into a lake until the kitten drowned from exhaustion.---killed a young girl then...
after serving 15 and 1/2 years in prison, killed 11 more women

Michael Perry He decapitated a neighbor's dog--- Killed his parents, his infant nephew, and two neighbors.

Jason Massey Killed cats, dogs, and cows--- killed his thirteen year old stepsister and a fourteen year old boy.

Patrick Sherrill Stole neighborhood pets and encouraged his dog to attack them--- killed 14 people at his workplace

Keith Hunter Jesperson
The Happy Face Killer strangled a cat in an ongoing pattern of animal abuse condoned by his father--- confessed to killing eight women


Christine Falling Tortured and killed cats to see if they really had nine lives--- murdered five children and one elderly man by the age of nineteen

Rod Ferrel
leader of a gang of teen "vampires" In October of 1996, broke into an animal shelter, beat dogs, and multilated puppies. Before that, he had been torturing and killing cats and dogs from the age of nine to the age of sixteen.--- At the age of sixteen, he bludgeoned an elderly couple, parents of another gang member, to death. He is now on death row.


Springfield, Oregon's fifteen-year old Kipland Kinkel murdered his parents, then opened fire on his school cafeteria, killing 4 and wounding 22 students. He had often bragged of torturing and killing small animals, including his cat.


San Diego, California's Brenda Spencer had a history of setting the tails of dogs and cats on fire, fired shots at a school, killing two children and injuring nine others.


Earl Kenneth Shriner, rapist and murderer of a 7-year-old boy was known for inserting firecrackers into the rectums of dogs and hanging cats.

The list goes on and on....


In a number of studies — one national and the others statewide — 71 to 83% of the women entering domestic violence shelters reported that their partners also abused or killed the family pet.

A New Jersey study of 53 families under the jurisdiction of the child welfare agency looked at the co-occurrence of child abuse and animal abuse. Researchers observed animal abuse in 88% of those families in which there was physical abuse of children


Without a doubt, the lack of empathy one shows towards other animals, lends strong proof and inclination towards extreme sociopathic behavior. There is a link and direct correlation.

And for the record, I served many years in the military, and I too have seen things that I'll never be able erase from my memory. I have done things for "God and Country" that haunt me every waking minute. I was a soldier and I did my job. Does that give me leave and comfort? Does that absolve me? No... I have to live with it, and ultimately, die with it.


That being said...

Of COURSE, not all of those into "crush" are sociopaths, no more than all fetishists are perverts. I for one am NOT calling anyone a freak, nor am I trying to belittle or silence anyone's opinion. I am trying to tell you what the prevailing sentiment is among the current administration and with those who ultimately have control over what we see and hear over the internet and our airwaves. We are in a fight for our freedoms, everyday... The more ammunition we give them to breech the walls of those freedoms, the sooner they fall. And censorship, true government censorship... is closer than you may think.

The reason the "sexual gratification" theme is prevalent in this thread and on these boards, is because this IS an adult forum that deals in the psyche(s) of human sexuality.

This isn't a bullfighting or foxhunting forum, nor is it a PETA site, so that's why mainstream issues of cruelty as it applies to experimentation, sport, and euthanasia are not discussed readily here.

Me personally? I abhor cruelty towards any animal, human or otherwise. That includes bullfights, cockfights, dogfights, fox hunts etc..

To me, there is no line or distinction to be drawn where compassion is concerned. In my opinion, to deny another being it's right to live safely, is to deny our own.

I'm not Ghandi, I'm no angel, and I'm not holier than thou, for as I mentioned before, I have blood on my hands as well. I have tried to inflict pain on others through militaristic means, I eat meat and I have "killed" insects that have been infestating the house. I willingly lay my skeletons out in the open.

In closing... I know at times, that humans take preference, and that at times, euthanasia and animal control are needed as a public health necessity. I know there are many issues in the world today, that take priority over issues of crush and animal cruelty, but... if we lose our compassion towards all things great and small under our control which in my opinion, is at the root of the human soul, then we are truly lost as a species.

[footsniffa]

weLL said senor' hound... but what about aLbert fish? and aLso, aLbert de saLvo (da strangLah) it seems, was not in fact the boston strangLer (dna)... i remember my grandfather teLLing me (when i was a wee LiL boi) about the eviLs of mankind... and especiaLLy men who rape and kiLL women (i'LL not bring up the fact that he was drop dead drunk for the entire time i knew him, and beat my grandmother).. "and we take care of em when they get to prison. just Like the boston strangLer; he wasn't in there a week and we got him." .. not exact words.. but i know he dropped a bunch of Lines referring to him getting pLowed in the ass, and sLit to death.....
this aLso brings up a memory of a trip i took whiLe stiLL in grammar schooL to one of the prisons for "scared straight" (i was proud... being considered bad enough to go to the scared str8 program)... and at some point of the "program" the prisoners were going into detaiL about men who rape and/or commit crimes against women (and chiLdren)... and what they do to those guys once they get to prison, for they are the scum of the earth... i, as inquisitive as i am, caLmLy raised my hand, and asked the Lifer (3 murders under his beLt at this point) "what makes you better than a rapist; i mean you kiLLed peopLe. there's no coming back from that"... apparentLy that's the wrong thing to say in that situation..



Milky White will get his props in 2003.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/footsniffaspeeps

[Ritchie]

:lildog:

[footlicker01]

That is sick! Whoever buys those screwed up videos are some sick fuckers and need to be shot and killed.

[thound]

Originally posted by footlicker01
That is sick! Whoever buys those screwed up videos are some sick fuckers and need to be shot and killed.


Your opinion is noted.

I have to say though, that coming across so harshly and labeling others as you have, is simply going to drag the debate down and spin it out of control.

Hatred serves no one.

As I mentioned, this is an acceptable place to debate this, but please , let's keep it civil.

[UnderGirlsHeels]

I once came accross something on the internet a few years back that i thought was absoutely sick, i was searching for crush on the internet & came across this forum (Iam into softcore crush bugs, food, fruit etc not hardcore by the way) & there was a topic where a guy replied to a thread mentioning that he goes to fox hunts & he gets off on seeing the foxes ripped to pieces by dogs, he was saying shit like he liked their teeth ripping into their flesh & he creamed his hand afterwards, everybody jumped on the band wagon called him a sick fucker including myself... so why isnt this shit banned its obviously sexual gratisfication in the most bazarre way those are the true sick bastards if you ask me.

Bann It

[thound]

Originally posted by UnderGirlsHeels
I once came accross something on the internet a few years back that i thought was absoutely sick, i was searching for crush on the internet & came across this forum (Iam into softcore crush bugs, food, fruit etc not hardcore by the way) & there was a topic where a guy replied to a thread mentioning that he goes to fox hunts & he gets off on seeing the foxes ripped to pieces by dogs, he was saying shit like he liked their teeth ripping into their flesh & he creamed his hand afterwards, everybody jumped on the band wagon called him a sick fucker including myself... so why isnt this shit banned its obviously sexual gratisfication in the most bazarre way those are the true sick bastards if you ask me.

Bann It

I agree that it should be banned, and if I am not mistaken, there are many movements working towards that end.

Protests Hound Britain's Fox Hunts (http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2002-09-18-foxhunt-cover-usat_x.htm)

[bustmehard2]

Right on people!!! I hate animal crush. Wanna crush food, wanna crush toys, whatever. Keep the lil furry guys out of it. I love little animals....they're cute. So why hurt 'em?

[mike19]

i cant belive a few of you said crushing bugs is sick and anyone that likes it is sick... your fucked in the head totally.....lol... bugs....gimme a fucken break!

[Jwoody]

Crush is a great fetish :)
Who cares about a mouse anyway ....Most of you have set your mouse trap and killed them in a cruel way lol but thats ok because you didn't enjoy it ! Who are you to judge ? If you don't like it just don't view it . FBI don't even care anymore ..too many animal lovers like PETA has got rediculas with there crap .

[John]

Originally posted by Jwoody
Crush is a great fetish :)

In your opinon..
Originally posted by Jwoody
Who cares about a mouse anyway

Some people do...
Originally posted by Jwoody
Most of you have set your mouse trap and killed them in a cruel way lol but thats ok because you didn't enjoy it !

The motive behind the things we do is always the critical factor in any moral determination..
Originally posted by Jwoody
Who are you to judge ?

Who are you to judge the people judging you? You judge people every day of your life. It's a fact of nature...
Originally posted by Jwoody
If you don't like it just don't view it .

That's pretty much what's been going on here...
Originally posted by Jwoody
FBI don't even care anymore ..too many animal lovers like PETA has got rediculas with there crap .

I assure you that is not the case. The FBI is a little tied up with Homeland security to worry about people that like to see small animals tortured to death. I wouldn't count on it lasting forever....

[MOBY]

A very interesting thread about the crush dead animals for sexual fetish.
Looking to the real point , i will prefer to die under this gorgeous feet and as they have no way to say no , it's a pitty that this poor animals dies for it . In another way thousand dies every days.
Looking to animal suffer , i think people and children will suffer soon and it's seems that it's natural like a movie that you will see on cnn.
A country that is shocked by animal crush in spit off children are with guns at school.... Us will always be hard to understand .

[John]

I'm going to assume that post is awash in language barriers as I couldn't make any logical sense out of it...

[lionhart7]

What separates cruelty from fetish is consent. It may be fun to fantasize about *unwilling* 'victims' being trampled but when that translates to real life activity it is wrong.

Regarding 'crush' fetishism, until animals learn to talk and consent to being trampled then it is a moot point.

As an aside, although many people think cruelty to animals is a minor issue, scientific evidence from criminal profilers has linked animal cruelty to criminal behaviour involving cruelty to humans. People who enjoy seeing animals suffer often look at this as a preliminary interest before 'graduating' to humans.

[Jwoody]

Yes in my opinion it is ...but some things I dont like but I don't throw off on them just because I am not into them as alot here do .
I have herd well crush is not normal lol so can any of you define normal ??? I'll answer it for you No you can't .
Whats normal to you maynot be normal for another so there's no way you can say crush is good or bad ..trample is good or bad ..only your personal opinion which only counts for anything to those that might agree with you ...but everyone want !

The motive behind the things we do is always the critical factor in any moral determination..
That still is just your opinion of moral ..not everyones .



Who are you to judge the people judging you? You judge people every day of your life. It's a fact of nature...
Yes it is a fact that we all judge in our minds but to attack them about a fetish thats just as natral as any trample fetish is just ignorant . I dont care to see rabbits and cats being crushed but for those that do I dont bother them and call the FBI .
Wheather you like it or not ..there are people who do and just because you don't ...changes nothing and there's nothing you can do to change there nature of there fetish ..so why bother them .

I assure you that is not the case. The FBI is a little tied up with Homeland security to worry about people that like to see small animals tortured to death. I wouldn't count on it lasting forever....
Well in some countries they dont worry about stupid mice .
theres nothing the FBI can do there .
Whoever cares for a mouse can have all of them they want :)

[jump]

@lionhart7

You hit the nail, fantasies as such are not sick, they are just there, we don´t pick them ourself. That is not only for people with fantasies of animal crush but also for people with fantasies including sex with children, or people with rape fantasies etc.

What is disgusting is involving people/animals in our activities or supporting those activities by buying products that will resolve on more suffering by those that haven´t asked for it - like children, animals or women that don´t want to get raped.

As for the connection of violence against animals compared to violence against people I agree, and Thound made a fine post to this a few postings earlier in the thread.

Violence is an extreeme way to deal with powerlessnes, some people feel more in power of the situation if they are violent, the scarry feeling of non-power is drowned this way. Thats for people using violence without any sexual thoughts behind (mostly there are no thoughts at all behind violence). For people supporting suffering of animals, children etc. becaurse they want to satisfy their sexual fantasies - I can´t find any other reason that they most likely tend to think more with their dicks then their brains.

For those of you that support animal crush, just 1 question:

If its ok. for humans to kill animals to fullfill sexual fantaises would it then be ok to have sex with children also ? .... I mean, they would survive after all, and they are so small anyway (argument stolen from people supporting bug-crushing, but not cat-crushing)

@Mobby
I can understand that your country is in a state of "war" with the US. Like John I didn´t really get your point.

@all
I don´t know if this is just me, but I think I see a big range in ages here in this discussion, what proberbly could explain some of the posts. Please write your age when posting, it might ligthning up something, not for anything else then curiosity.

jump, 41 years

[mediman900]

well im glad we have such caring and sweet people on the forum here, you all seem to care so much for our little planet, its nice to see that. and eventhough ive seen a couple of anmial crush clips, i dont really think that its fair to the little things (yes i love animals too)... the only animal i hate and would love crushed to death is saddam hussain.... though not under female feet, under the American Justice, under their bombs.... lets roll.

[Jwoody]

If its ok. for humans to kill animals to fullfill sexual fantaises would it then be ok to have sex with children also ? .... I mean, they would survive after all, and they are so small anyway (argument stolen from people supporting bug-crushing, but not cat-crushing)


No it would not... that's where the problems lie.
BUGS and CATS are not humans. They can't comprehend what happening to them they have no memory of it and don't scar them for life.
Only a moron would make that comparsion.

So it's okay to posion them and let them die slowly while they bleed to death...but not to crush them when someone has the fetish. The end result is the same. But morally it's ok to posion them or set a trap to break their neck.lol

Very interesting!

[jump]

Hi Jwoody!

I´m glad you took the time to reply, even I´m only a moron

they have no memory of it and don't scar them for life

Yes your right, they have no memory of it, and it isen´t scarring the animals for life. Then I can understand that the killing is an act of mercy. If they was only tortured they would have to live with the crush-trauma for the rest of their short animal life.

... forgot another little question:

How is it that you justifiy the animal-crush by comparing it to other acts of humans ? ..... is it impossible to justefy by it self ?

jump

[John]

http://mistressdestiny.com/pig.gif

[trail]

I shot a rat wich was hiding under the fridge in the kitchen with my air-pistol some years ago.

that was an episode I really would be without. It happened in the middle of the night, and I had chased this rat for long long time.
I would not use poison, because they just hide somewhere under the floor or in the walls before they dies, and stinks for long time after.
So it was the only thing I could think of at the moment. I had it surrounded in the kitchen, and it took cover under the fridge.

I moved the fridge out from its place but the rat just followed with it.
So then I went for my air-pistol and lay flat down on the kitchen floor. I could see the rat, and blowed of 4 or 5 shots into it before it reacted at all. By the 6th or 7th, it turned on its back and spins its feet for some seconds before it was finished.
It was terrible! but I couldn't find any other solution. There was a big cleaning job after, but I was reliefed it was over. I throwed the rat someway just out on the lawn.
Next day when i came driving home from work in the afternoon, a magpie flew of with the rat in its claws at the same moment .
That was strange

[Jwoody]

Hi jump :)

I´m glad you took the time to reply, even I´m only a moron
This is true but Im sure you are more intelligent than to make such a comparison to child rape as the same as a woman crushing a bug ...you were making this point of
How is it that you justifiy the animal-crush by comparing it to other acts of humans ? ..... is it impossible to justefy by it self ?
Now Your saying I cant justify it by saying people kill rats and bugs with poision ???????? Your right ..I can't ..there's nothing to justify here . A bug and a rat are along way from raping children .
But for those that say its wrong or cruel and they should be killed just shows their double standards . Thats what I meant when I said people kill rats with poison . Its ok if a bug or rat gets in their house and they kill them that way lol .

So how deep do you want to get with this lol
People are breathing in germs that are being killed by your immune system ...for gods sake your body is killing the germs that have a right to live too ...STOP BREATHING LOLOL.
How silly shall we get with this ????????:rolleyes:
By the way, I'm not even in to animal crush...

[John]

http://www.mistressdestiny.com/pig.gif

[jump]

How other look at us have been mentiont here also. We say that those that love animal-crush is a minority among people into womens feet and weight. Unfortnely I don´t think other see it the same way becaurse we have never really been on focus outside our own circles. The crush-community have been public disposed serval times - what easy leed people to point out the animal-crushers to be an very importent part of the foot- and tramplefetish. Take a look at this grafic illustration:

http://www.deviantdesires.com/map/map2.html

It looks this:

feet - crush - trample


The proportions are of course wrong, giantess is also listed as mcuh more spreaded then trample - even the proportions are not correct, that isen´t what disturb me, its that I´m listed togehter with people killing animals for sexual enjoyment.

jump

[Luvsandals]

I guess then it is wrong for me to be off hunting with my bow and my rifle in the fall. Spring trukey season is comming up soon too!

I guess you all don't want to hear about the 8 point buck I shot with my Bow this fall and had to track for over a mile through the woods.

The human interpretation of what is right and what is wrong is always a bit screwed up. I guess because I like to hunt (which obviously involeves killing) animals I am no good and destined to become a murderer or rapest.

I don't really want to give up my gun or my right to hunt, but hunting is cruel at times, so I guess I am next on the list!!!

[Jwoody]

Hi jump
Very nice chart but I am with you on that !
Anyway the one who made the chart is just guessing to the numbers anyway :)

[jump]

to avoid misunderstandings, I don´t like it either the other way around (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/482001.stm)

jump

[thound]

Originally posted by Jwoody



No it would not... that's where the problems lie.
BUGS and CATS are not humans. They can't comprehend what happening to them they have no memory of it and don't scar them for life.
Only a moron would make that comparsion.

So it's okay to posion them and let them die slowly while they bleed to death...but not to crush them when someone has the fetish. The end result is the same. But morally it's ok to posion them or set a trap to break their neck.lol

Very interesting!



You have truly got to be kidding...

This has to be one of the most asinine rebuttals I've ever seen.

Cats are fully sentient beings, fully responsive to, or conscious of, sense impressions. They are acutely sensitive in perception and feeling, with a very highly sophisticated central nervous system.

How in the hell do you know what Cats can or can not comprehend? What do you know of it's memories?

In the animal kingdom, a Cat's intelligence is surpassed only by Monkeys and Chimps. Cats have a memory that can be over 200 times as retentive than a dog's.

Next time, please attempt to know a little of which you speak, before you go off spouting idiotic statements.




Who are you to judge ?



Yes, let's ask that shall we...

Who are YOU to judge what lives and what dies?

Where do you draw the line?

How far is it ok to go up the evolutionary chain?

Mice but not Rats? Rats but not Hamsters? Hamster's but not Guinea Pigs ?

Ferrets? Rabbits? Cats? Dogs?

C'mon, there must be some sort of litmus point.


Please explain WHY it is ok to kill for sexual gratification for THAT is the issue here, not the issues of "well, they feed mice to snakes" or "well, they poison rabbits so they won't destroy crops" so what does it matter.

It DOES matter.

You obviously HAVE no argument which justifies animal crush, so you continually fall back to the "animals are treated cruelly around the world for many reasons, so why the outrage against crushing" argument. The old others are doing it why can't I mentality.

If you haven't noticed, no one here has spoken up in support of trapping for fur, poaching for skins and organs, ivory trading, poisons or other outdated and uneccessary "control" methods that humans incorporate today, so it's a safe bet that most of us do not endorse such methods, and frankly, just because humans still use these barbaric methods today, doesn't make it "ok" to kill the animals for sexual gratification as another alternative.

Your total and complete lack of compassion should astound me, but yet, it doesn't.

[thound]

Originally posted by Luvsandals
I guess then it is wrong for me to be off hunting with my bow and my rifle in the fall. Spring trukey season is comming up soon too!

I guess you all don't want to hear about the 8 point buck I shot with my Bow this fall and had to track for over a mile through the woods.

The human interpretation of what is right and what is wrong is always a bit screwed up. I guess because I like to hunt (which obviously involeves killing) animals I am no good and destined to become a murderer or rapest.

I don't really want to give up my gun or my right to hunt, but hunting is cruel at times, so I guess I am next on the list!!!




Please... Quit making such idiotic arguments.

Of course humans have to eat, and animals do fall underneath us in the food chain. Just as in nature, others die, so others may live.

That is NOT the point of this debate.

[bustmehard2]

thound:


PREACH ON BROTHER!!!


And JWOODY:


This has already been said....but yes animals, rats mice cats, they all have feelings. Ever notice a dog that's been beaten...he'll cringe if you pretend to hit at him....the same with cats.....Hmmmmm, wouldn't you say that this shows they DO have a memory, and that they DO have feelings? Again, I see the failure in your argument my dear sir. I ain't no tree hugger, but I do believe in doing things that I believe are right...and to me, animal crush isn't one of them. And for Jump I'm 23. :)

[Luvsandals]

Thank you for calling me and idiot.
As a moderator it is your job to remain above the name calling and insulting!! You are here to keep the peace and make sure things do not get out of hand. You need to remain cool and collected, it is hard but it is part of the job of a moderator.

As this is a hot topic and stirs up allot of feelings, I will understand that you really didn't mean what you said, because I Know I didn't come in here calling anyone names or belittling them in anyway!!!!
But hey if you don't want me here it is no problem....just say so!!!!!

[jump]

Thound didn´t call you an idiot, just your argumentation. If you schould correct an moderator it schould be your co-moderator Jwoody that called me an moron becaurse I compared something that he found not compareble.

jump

[rugman]

Originally posted by jump
western world treats the third world (for a big scale)
jump

http://www.redcross.org/
http://www.elporvenir.org/
http://www.humanitarianmedical.org/
http://communitylink.gopbi.com/servlet/groups_ProcServ/dbpage=page&gid=00042000001020818326467235
http://www.dawn.com/2002/01/22/top9.htm

We also develop technologies and techniques that, when adopted, increase food production by orders of magnitude. We also create medicines (and make them available to third-world countries) that cure illnesses and improve lives. We’ve even been known to free a few countries from the tyrannies of despotic dictatorship from time to time (more on that in about two weeks).

Yep. We’re real bastards.

Not wanting to pick a fight, Jump, but I simply could not let that one go unanswered. We (the West) aren’t perfect, and we’ve been responsible for simply horrendous colonization in the past (see India, South-East Asia, Cuba [no, wait, we let that one go after we kicked the Spanish out, I forgot], the Philippines [crap, that’s right, we let them go, too], Puerto Rico [Damn it! We didn’t let them go, but every time we ask if they want to go, they keep voting to stay!]. You get the point. As time has gone on, the West has become more liberal, charitable and mature. Hmm. We could always compare that to Rhodesia (oops, that’s right, it’s Robert Mugabe’s Zimbabwe now, isn’t it?); Take-Your-Pick from the various Arab regions; until recently, Serbia (how was it that Slobodan Milosevic ended up in Brussels? Somebody remind me.), etc. etc. etc. The West is walking forward in history, while so many others are running backwards (would anyone care for a cup of Osama Bin Ladin-style Sharia law? No? I didn’t think so). I’m not alone in my judgment either: millions of third-worlder’s try, by whatever means possible, to gain entry to Western nations annually.

‘nuff said about that. Sorry for the off-topic ranting.

Ken

PS By the way, for the record: I’m pro-hunting (though I don’t hunt), anti animal-crush (define “animal” as anything alive and non-human), I would kill a pedophile on sight, and I’m a life-long and unrepentant carnivore (but hold that all reasonable measures should be used to minimize any suffering of animals to be slaughtered for food) (I’m omnivorous, actually).

I’m still undecided about cannibalism (Gee-Zuz! Just kidding folks! Settle down!)

[thound]

Originally posted by Luvsandals
Thank you for calling me and idiot.
As a moderator it is your job to remain above the name calling and insulting!! You are here to keep the peace and make sure things do not get out of hand. You need to remain cool and collected, it is hard but it is part of the job of a moderator.

As this is a hot topic and stirs up allot of feelings, I will understand that you really didn't mean what you said, because I Know I didn't come in here calling anyone names or belittling them in anyway!!!!
But hey if you don't want me here it is no problem....just say so!!!!!


I didn't call YOU an idiot, I called your argument idiotic.

And it was.

I have not labeled anyone in this thread either a freak or a nutcase, or names of anykind, nor have I sanctioned anyone's opinion.

To get back to your argument:

Of course humans have to sometimes hunt for the food to survive, that is nature, that is the circle of life, and that as I pointed out, was NOT the issue of the thread.

No one was calling "hunters" potential murderers and rapists and no one was threatening to put hunters on any sort of "list"

That was what I called "idiotic"

[jump]

hi Ken!

I think you didn´t got my point. The list I made was just a way to explain how I see humanity lived out. I didn´t accuse any countries or people not living up to this - do I could have done very easy.

Humanity, civilized behavior or whatever we want to call it is - in my opinion, a matter of how the powerfull treats those that are less powerfull - the strongest treat the weakest.

That dosen´t meen that those with power schoulden´t use their power - hell they have an obligation to use this power to help wherever they can. Abusing power is a different story - animal crush is abuse of power from humans against animals.

jump

[John]

Hello, my name is Fluffy. Some people in this forum think it's okay to step on me and crush me until I'm dead so they can get off...

http://www.sobi.org/photos/Cat/Greek/DelphiCats_009.jpg

If you saw a woman stepping on me, trying to kill me..what would you think?

[DaremoAlpha]

Well here we go again but in a different forum hehehe....

How many of you know me??? A handful at best and you guys don't need to put your hands up.

I will be the considered evil guy here because I like some types of animal crush and yes it is heartless and yes it is cold but guess what after it is all said and done I can still look myself in the mirror and not feel ashamed of it. My belief is simply survival of the fittest and wether it is crush or trophy hunting it is all the same!!! It is a sport...

I have a mouse in my house that I am sure would rather be crushed to death than walking around bald since it managed to escape the glue trap I set out for it even though there was a massive amount of hair still stuck to the trap.

My way of looking at it is also that I have seen people kick the living shit out of others for fun and that was ok and I am sure after they had sex with their partners talking or thinking about it aroused them even more but hey thats ok because it was another human and if he still had his teeth he may have consented right?

Myself I am not sure the crush for sexual gratification falls in line for me or if I am just twisted enough that I want and need the hunt and the kill.

In the end run everybody has a line that gets drawn, for instance my wife will only walk on my back if I tell her I need it the correct my spine but if I just lay down and ask her to because I feel randy then it is not allowed.

Jump--- just for the record pal and no disrespect here it is

SHOULD

I know languages are different but for attempting english as you are it is SHOULD.

Thound---I see you run a nice tight set up and would like to extend the pleasantries of keeping it friendly also even though I am sure this post may cause a 5 alarmer here.

[thound]

Originally posted by DaremoAlpha

Thound---I see you run a nice tight set up and would like to extend the pleasantries of keeping it friendly also even though I am sure this post may cause a 5 alarmer here.


Daremo, I appreciate your candor and honesty concerning the subject.

Yes, as I have said, I have no problem with the debate being played out, just as long as it stays civil.

[Luvsandals]

Yes but hunting can be argued as crewl and ARA want to stop that also!
Everyone is pointing towards the notion that crush freaks will turn into murderers and rapests because of their tendencies. If this is true then us hunters should be right there on that list also!!! I mean I love venison, but I do not eat the turkeys and pheasents I shoot!! That is done for sport....so I guess I am not any better off then the others! So my point is not idiotic at all!!!

I just do not like to point fingers at people and label them as an aboration.....Other than pedophiles of course, in this we are all in argeement!!!! There is no excuse or reason for that behavior ever!!!

Most of my friends who know about my foot fetish think I am compleatly whacked in the head, I do not even think of sharing my love of being trampled with any of them!
Most "normal" sexually orientated people think that all of us who are into trample, GTS, femdom or even crush are compleatly off base and in need of help!!! I just think that all of of with a fetish involving any of the above mentioned fetishes should stick together instead of trying to tear each other apart!!!!!

[rugman]

Jump, buddy-o-mine!

I know the point you were making, thus my disclaimer that I didn’t want to pick a fight. But the West gets slandered frequently of late, and I find in myself the need to provide counter-examples whenever I sense that somebody may be falling into cliché-mongering. If I over-shot the mark in response to your post, I apologize profusely.

In continued respect,

Ken

[thound]

Originally posted by Luvsandals
Everyone is pointing towards the notion that crush freaks will turn into murderers and rapests because of their tendencies. If this is true then us hunters should be right there on that list also!!! I mean I love venison, but I do not eat the turkeys and pheasents I shoot!! That is done for sport....so I guess I am not any better off then the others! So my point is not idiotic at all!!!



Yes, but did you shoot the turkeys or pheasants for sexual thrills?

No one is saying that the "crush" fetish itself is bad, or that everyone into "crush" will turn out to be flaming lunatics of the highest order.

But....

Deny it or not, like it or not, but to enjoy watching something that is living, get tortured and crushed to death, is going to raise some serious issues, not only concerning one's compassion, but also their value of life itself.

I have given very substantive evidence that linked animal abuse to human abuse, so yes, there IS a pattern involved, like it or not.

[jump]

Luvsandals said:

Everyone is pointing towards the notion that crush freaks will turn into murderers and rapests because of their tendencies

I did not

but I do not eat the turkeys and pheasents I shoot!! That is done for sport

Do the slaughters eat all the pigs their slaugther themself ? Hunting is also taking care of the wildernes by control the population of the different animals that they don´t grove bigger then they still are in a position of living a normal life without having to go into citys to find food - thats how hunting is seen here in my little area of the world. The hunters are seen as very valueble people that take care of our nature and wild animals.
If you really want to compare anything with animal crush then bullfighting and the english foxhunting would be fine in my opinion. Not regulary hunting.

I just do not like to point fingers at people and label them as an aboration.....Other than pedophiles of course

I don´t mind if people are into childsex or animal crush - what matters for me is what they do - not what kind of fantasies people have.

I just think that all of of with a fetish involving any of the above mentioned fetishes should stick together instead of trying to tear each other apart!!!!!

Not as long as the crush-community accept animal crush on pictures and videos, not as long as they practice this - storys and debattes about animal crush is ok for me.

jump

[Luvsandals]

I don´t mind if people are into childsex or animal crush - what matters for me is what they do - not what kind of fantasies people have.

I can not condone anything dealing with children in any way sexual at all....fatasy or acted out!! I have seen the other side of that as a parent and feel that anyone who takes that type of interest in children should be hung upside down by their balls and then shot!!!!

[jump]

fantasies don´t kill or abuse - acting them out does, for both pedofilia and animal-crush.

By acting out those fantasies people have chossen to pas a line nobody schould.

In the western world we don´t have any mind police to control sexual fantasies.

jump

[The Penguin]

I think the greatest Distinction is SEXUAL GRATIFICATION here.

AN animal or insect does not get off on killing each other they do it for survival eat or be eaten thats it they don't get their jollies from killing another animal or insect.(They don't have an option either not to do it they are programed this way)
The human on the other hand sometimes gets off on the killing/suffering of insects/animals (and possibly in a few cases other humans)
thats the distinction that differenates the whole issue (for me anyway) and for most people too I think.

an animal/insect kills to survive period humans kill for many reasons
I have killed many mice that my cat brought in or entered my basment suite by taking them outside and bashing their heads in with a block of wood I felt no sexual thing nor did i get off on it as far as I'm concerned thats ok mice carry diseses and they shit all over your house they atre a pest just like bugs.

yes its ok to kill them as far as I'm concerned the distinction being that you are not getting off sexually seeing the suffering of another being

I think thats what the "athorities" may think too

I also think that if people had to kill their own food instead of buying it nicely presented in a styrine tray and glad wrapped there would be allot more vegetarians around (I'm a meat eater)
I also fish I'm sure that the fish doesn't like a hook in its mouth and doesn't like being gaffed and then banged on the head but I like to fish however I don't get off sexually fishing so that again is the difference here
this is my opinion bite me if you don't like it

[Syphonboy]

I like fishing too!! It's relaxing, isn't it?

[slave paul]

Hello again folks! Well, this is my second posting in two days, it's getting to be something of a habit now.

I'm glad that this debate is still raging, and it is a subject that not only has many differing viewpoints - some of which are even valid - but also to which there is clearly no absolute right or wrong that will satisfy everybody's own peculiar ethics, beliefs, morals, preferences, etc.

Many people have made the point about consent, and that between humans, all kinds of kinky stuff is cool because it is by mutual consent, whereas the mouse or cat or dog doesn't have the same voice to consent or dissent.

There are also many among us who don't actually even think it's important or an issue whether another defenceless being can consent or not to being tortured or killed for some neanderthal's sexual gratification, because (to paraphrase both meaning and spelling) "Fuck 'em, they is jus dumm anemals neway" or "Thos peeple at PETA are so rediculos with their idears" or something along those lines. Does bad grammar and spelling go hand in hand with a deep ignorance of even the most basic of moral or ethical issues? I guess it does, but don't mind me, I'm just a snob.....lol!

Someone raised the point that the crush thing is a relatively small issue when compared with the wider issue of animal cruelty in general, or even the abuse of human beings. This is true, but this is a forum pretty much centred upon BDSM activities and kinky stuff, so that is why the crush argument is being focused on here.

It's really amazing how people will either go to great lengths to justify such barbaric and cowardly activities or they will just prefer to hide under a deep covering of mindless ignorance so that the notion of justification does not even come into the argument!

If some people get their kicks from the torturing, mameing and eventual killing of another living being, well, I guess there's nothing I can do to stop them, but why do they have to be so proud of themselves for god's sake? I mean, it's bad enough that ANY human being (and I use the term loosely) in the 21st Century has to behave like an ignorant. mindless savage, let alone being proud to be that way. If you get your sexual thrills from the crushing of mice, I'd keep quiet about it if I were you. I guess what I'm saying is something like "Aren't you even a little proud of being a member of the human race or do you still see yourself as an unevolved, mindless primate?". Me, I'm quite okay with being human, and a pretty well evolved one at that, if I do say so myself. I see no need to revert to barbarism and savagery to prove my mastery over the animal kingdom. Yeah, that's pretty much it, isn't it? The big needing to prove that they're stronger and better than the small by crushing the life out of them, the rich do it to the poor, the strong to the weak, the male to the female, the sated to the hungry, etc.........the list goes on.......It's just that good old inferiority complex that we find in most bullies, for that is all these people are.

I also found the long message (can't remember who posted it) demonstrating the link between the perpetration of animal abuse and violence towards ther human beings rather interesting. I find this to be quite a significant piece of data. That message was so long, listing all those examples of sick, animal torturing bastards who went on to be sick people torturing and murdering bastards, that I had to stop reading half way through for fear of hurling chunks (as the Americans say). Yeah, I reckon the police forces of the world should keep a close eye on these crush fetishists, a VERY close eye indeed......they could be Saddams and Jeffrey Darmas of the near future.

If you have to be a crushist, go ahead and do your stuff, but don't be so fucking proud of yourself for doing it and don't even attempt to justify yourself. I seriously would love to see people who do this stuff put behind bars and castrated, perhaps by a cat who after bing starved for a few days is given access to a juicy pair of human bollocks to chew on. That'd solve the problem. Hey, how about Slave Paul for President? ;)

[UnderGirlsHeels]

Iam not into animal crush but what i cant understand..what is the diffrence whether someone has a wank or not if a animal is killed whether its crushed shot whatever the same consequences should be dealt equally?
Emma told a few of her mates about my trample fetish to get them involved in making videos, & obviously a couple of lads found out. & one of the lads said that "people like that are sick & probably peadophiles" he was talking about trample now how does that make you feel. i was gonna ripp this guys head off at the time. but this is what some of you are saying about the crush freeks, nevermind Emma put him straight & he then appoliogised, good job i wasnt there because i would have ripped his head off,

[UnderGirlsHeels]

Some of you dont understand the crush fetish so you tend to make it sound bad, incase you didnt know there is hundreds of diffrent fetishes, Jump posted a link to girls riding ponys & its not my thing i didnt accuse them of abuducting cildren raping them & killing them just because i didnt understand it. (from what i saw these big women ride these ponys until they are exausted) which i think is more cruel than crushing a bug or a bit of fruit,

here is the link that Jump posted
http://www.nudehorsebackride.com/page_2.htm

by the way only a small percentage of crush freeks like animals being crushed

[turbs]

Originally posted by footlicker01
That is sick! Whoever buys those screwed up videos are some sick fuckers and need to be shot and killed.

Let's start with you, if you can't say anything intelligent then shut the fuck up!

ARE WE THROUGH WITH THE DAMN NAME CALLING YET???

[footsniffa]

YEEHAW COWBOY!!! damn, this is spiraLing outta controL.. just Like it did Last year... anyhow... i Love the pic on Moby's post (by the way... sorry about beating you up when you came to boston), but it makes me feeL that i need to start copywriting my materiaL :P
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Footsniffaspeeps/message/198

From: "The Invisible M.C. <footsniffa@yahoo.com>"
Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 3:59 pm
Subject: State of the Union


i'm completely torn here... i don't know whether to watch Emporer
Palpatine's speech, or American Idol... but in case i don't watch the
emporer, i will make a few predictions... i think W is going to
dissolve the Senate, and assert absolute power is this time of
crisis.... if we don't stand up now, we'll be at the mercy of his
clone army... i think i may just be the person to fulfill the
prophecy, and restore balance to the force
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now, i sense we're aLmost there.... i give it tiLL the end of the day untiL iraq/bush becomes the topic in this thread.

[coconino]

These yoyos squashing live animals should be burned alive and pissed on.
that is all.:machine:

[footsniffa]

come, come now.... yoyos have no pLace in this discussion.. and it is quite insensitive of you to compare yoyos to animaL crushers..

http://www.yoyostore.com/yoyostore/

[slave paul]

I heartily agree with footsniffa that animal crushers shouldn't be compared with yo-yos, a harmless child's toy, which can be pretty orgasmic if you know how to work 'em.

However, i'd disagree with Cocolino's proposed solution of burning these people and pissing on them: surely the piss wuold put out the flames, thus counteracting the act of burning in the first place? Also being pee'd on is quite a nice thing, if done properly, too good for that bunch of primitives ;)

[footsniffa]

i just urinated... and it smeLLs Like coffee




Milky White will get his props in 2003.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/footsniffaspeeps

[Jwoody]

How in the hell do you know what Cats can or can not comprehend? What do you know of it's memories?

So what do you know ...you cant prove it anymore than I can .

Next time, please attempt to know a little of which you speak, before you go off spouting idiotic statements.

I know way more about the crush fetish than you do apparently !
I hear people call trample fans sick and perverted ...but do you think that ?

Who are YOU to judge what lives and what dies?
I don't judge it anymore than anybody else does ..its a fact of life that people do it everyday . We justify the killing of animals ..another fact of life . If you kill it for food ..its ok
Cut a cats balls off lol thats ok ..I dont want it tom cating around .
Just a few examples of morals to justify many things that we as humans do to animals . I am sure you except that without any problems ...but thats just again your morals and not everyone elses . But because it is yours I have to think the same as you do and if I don't I am a sick fucker as they have been called and should be killed . Again Thats just your own opinon and not everyones . But some people can't stand the thought that others enjoy it and even brought up the little example of serial killers and their involvment with the mistreatment of animals . How can anyone expect that to be accurate since they only study the serial killers and not everybody else ? I knew alot of kids that mistreated animals but never became abusive or killers to people .
So why is it a widley published artical ? Because it makes a certain group of people seem bad as animal rights people would have it do. They are the ones behind it .Don't take my word for it go look on any animal rights message board .
I know alot of people in this fetish and never has it been known that anyone of them has killed anybody . Trust me if they ever did it would be all over the media . Lame argument point nothing backing any of it up but a good sounding point on the surface ...just unconclusive evidence to back that up .

Where do you draw the line?
I draw the line at insect crush myself but there will be some that even thinks that is wrong . Their opinion ..free to have it .

Please explain WHY it is ok to kill for sexual gratification for THAT is the issue here, not the issues of "well, they feed mice to snakes" or "well, they poison rabbits so they won't destroy crops" so what does it matter. You obviously HAVE no argument which justifies animal crush, so you continually fall back to the "animals are treated cruelly around the world for many reasons, so why the outrage against crushing" argument. The old others are doing it why can't I mentality.

You have missed my point .
I will explain it better for you .
I am not saying its ok to kill bugs and mice because of the cruel way they are treated around the world . What I am pointing out is that some people here are saying that killing bugs and rats for sexual gratification is wrong just because sex is involved but yet its ok to kill them in a trap or step on a bug because its in your house . Just noted that they have a double standard . I see no difference in leting a woman step on a rat and have it caught in a trap . I am not debating the killing of a cat or dog . I would not want to see that myself but I don't care if others do ..its just not my thing . But there is definetly a difference between a dog and a rat . We classify rats and bugs as pests that we have exterminators for hire to kill them don't we ? For some people you can call the exterminator to come spray and kill a bug but its wrong for you to have a women step on it lol thats really funny .
But its an opinion of one who doesn't have the fetish and know's little about it just as people judge trample .

Your total and complete lack of compassion should astound me, but yet, it doesn't.
Thanks and yours don't either :)

That is sick! Whoever buys those screwed up videos are some sick fuckers and need to be shot and killed.
Now that was an intelligent arguement lol Some people say that about trample vids also .

These yoyos squashing live animals should be burned alive and pissed on.
that is all.
Another great debater ...due noted ! Another classic example of someone who don't understand the fetish but yet has a trample fetish ??? Just though you mite understand it alittle better ...that comment among others here proves that wrong .
Most of the replies against crush fetishes are replies one would expect from one who has no fetish at all .





And Jump I still can't believe you would compare child rape with bug or mice or even animal crushing as to say whats the difference ? That was a classic buddy :) And you say my argument is ignorent ?? Wow we have alot of winners here I see :)

[Ritchie]

:eyebrows:

[footsniffa]

good point ritchie... did you know that PETA aLso wants to run the prison system here?

http://www.peta.org/news/NewsItem.asp?id=1899

i'm sure the iraq crisis couLb be soLved just as efficientLy by changing to a vegan diet





Milky White will get his props in 2003.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/footsniffaspeeps

[Ritchie]

:cool:

[footsniffa]

<Perhaps, "Bustme" is a cop? >

is that why john was posting those animates of pigs???

[Ritchie]

:bugeyes:

[thound]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jwoody

So what do you know ...you cant prove it anymore than I can

Actually I did. I showed you scientific statistics that prove Cats have memories and are sentient thinking, feeling, beings.

You on the other hand, continue to provide nothing.

I know way more about the crush fetish than you do apparently! I hear people call trample fans sick and perverted ...but do you think that ?

Again, it's the deflect the argument tactic. We're not talking about the trample fetish here, we're talking about the "crush" fetish, particularly, the fascination with crushing small animals to death.



I don't judge it anymore than anybody else does ..its a fact of life that people do it everyday . We justify the killing of animals ..another fact of life . If you kill it for food ..its ok

Are you even listening to yourself?

It's fact of life, so that makes it ok!

Again we hear the "animals are used for food" excuse.

Of course they're used for food! As has been said, they are a PART of the food chain, and that humans to survive, need to kill at times to provide food. That's the way the animal kingdom revolves.

The circle of life is a natural process and nature keeps itself in balance

That does NOT justify killing them for sexual gratification.

Humans are the ONLY species that kills for this.


Cut a cats balls off lol thats ok ..I dont want it tom cating around .Just a few examples of morals to justify many things that we as humans do to animals . I am sure you except that without any problems ..

Let me get this straight...

You're actually trying to equate spaying and neutering to cruelty and abuse? To crushing them for thrills?

Again, your ignorance of animal care shines through.

Spayed animals no longer feel the need to roam to look for a mate. The result is that they stay home and have less chance of being involved in traumatic accidents such as being hit by a car. They also have a much lower incidence of contracting contagious diseases, and get into fewer fights.

In males, neutering decreases the chances of developing prostatic disease and hernias, and eliminates the chances of developing testicular cancer. It also reduces problems with territorial and sexual aggression, inappropriate urination (spraying) and other undesirable male behaviors.

In Females, spaying decreases the incidence of breast cancer (the rate goes down to almost zero if the spaying is done before the first heat cycle!). It eliminates the chance of developing a serious and potentially fatal infection of the uterus experienced by many mature unspayed animals (pyometra).

Evdence shows that females spayed before their first heat are typically healthier.

Spaying and neutering also help control pet overpopulation which leads to millions of pets that are discarded and abandoned every year by thoughtless, uncaring, owners.

What's better? Caring for and providing a loving home for a spayed and neutered pet, or simply letting all cats, dogs, rabbits, etc... give birth to dozens of unwanted pets, that will end up homeless at a shelter and who for the extremely large majority, end up being euthanized ( And those will be the lucky ones )

It is well documented that spaying and neutering HELPS the animal species as a whole.

Care to provide documentation that proves "crushing them to death" does the same?


But because it is yours I have to think the same as you do and if I don't I am a sick fucker as they have been called and should be killed . Again Thats just your own opinon and not everyones .

No one said you had to think the same way I do, and I for one have called no one anything during this debate. Please point out where I called anyone "sick" or mentioned they should be "killed"

Sure, it's obvious it's just my opinion and not everyone's. That is typified by the continued acts of animal cruelty we see perpetrated on the websites that have been mentioned.


But some people can't stand the thought that others enjoy it and even brought up the little example of serial killers and their involvment with the mistreatment of animals . How can anyone expect that to be accurate since they only study the serial killers and not everybody else ? Lame argument point nothing backing any of it up but a good sounding point on the surface ...just unconclusive evidence to back that up .

The study WAS accurate. Again, you're not paying attention. Go figure...

Did you not see the fact that in 88% of the domestic abuse cases studied in the state of New Jersey also involved some sort of animal abuse?

The FBI has found that a history of cruelty to animals is one of the traits that regularly appear in its computer records of serial rapists and murderers, and the standard diagnostic and treatment manual for psychiatric and emotional disorders lists cruelty to animals as a diagnostic criterion for conduct disorders.

A study conducted by Northeastern University and Harvard found that people who abuse animals are five times more likely to commit violent crimes against humans.

Dr. Albert Schweitzer himself wrote that:

"Violent acts toward animals have long been recognized as indicators of a dangerous psychopathy that does not confine itself to animals. “Anyone who has accustomed himself to regard the life of any living creature as worthless is in danger of arriving also at the idea of worthless human lives"

Again, the correlation between animal abuse and serial killers is detailed and extensive. It isn't some sort of Hollywood script. You can bury your head in the sand all you want, but the pattern is strong and undeniable.

I suppose just because "everyone" who smacked a dog or set fire to the cat when they were young didn't turn out to be John Giotti, makes everything ok in your book, and therefore invalidates the unmistakable evidence that a very large percentage of those who perpetrate violence on animals often perpetrate violent crimes on humans.

Lame argument? Hardly.



I draw the line at insect crush myself but there will be some that even thinks that is wrong . Their opinion ..free to have it .

Yep, they are free to have ANY opinion they want, and really no one expects to change anyone's mind on these issues.

Acting out their opinions in public though, is a mighty different story.

The crush fetish itself is VERY welcome here at any time, and is for the most part very innocuous. No one is painting the crush fetish with a broad brush. Crush all the inanimate objects you want here.

What is not welcome here, are links to sites that portray, support, or allow those who participate in animal crush to post links and or pictures to such acts. This forum is better served by not being a conduit for such things.


You have missed my point .
I will explain it better for you .
I am not saying its ok to kill bugs and mice because of the cruel way they are treated around the world . What I am pointing out is that some people here are saying that killing bugs and rats for sexual gratification is wrong just because sex is involved but yet its ok to kill them in a trap or step on a bug because its in your house . Just noted that they have a double standard . I see no difference in leting a woman step on a rat and have it caught in a trap . I am not debating the killing of a cat or dog . I would not want to see that myself but I don't care if others do ..its just not my thing . But there is definetly a difference between a dog and a rat . We classify rats and bugs as pests that we have exterminators for hire to kill them don't we ? For some people you can call the exterminator to come spray and kill a bug but its wrong for you to have a women step on it lol thats really funny .
But its an opinion of one who doesn't have the fetish and know's little about it just as people judge trample .

Sigh...

Again we see the "animals are killed horribly everyday so there is no difference" argument.

If you see no difference between killing rats and mice due to infestation and health issues, as opposed to simply for sexual gratification, then fine. Despite what you think there IS a difference.

And please, don't think alot of people if given a choice, would not prefer and embrace different methods of taking care of these infestations. Again, you're trying to deflect the true issue.

A part of life necessitates that this must be done at times to control disease and to ensure the public health. Can you please explain what necessitates killing for sexual gratification?

Again, you are not providing any justification


Now that was an intelligent arguement lol Some people say that about trample vids also

These yoyos squashing live animals should be burned alive and pissed on.
that is all.
Another great debater ...due noted ! .

I am not the one who made those statements you're referring to, so why are you including them in the response? If you want to make comments as to these statements, please do so to the one's who have posted them.

That being said...

I also do not agree with the verbiage that some of these people have posted, because all it does is derail the actual facts and points of the issue at hand.

Labeling people will do nothing except to divide and flame the issues and perpetrate the very insensitivity we are trying to avoid

Please keep the comments civil people.

[footsniffa]

i so do Love animaLs.....



...some men hunt for sport,
Others hunt for food.
The only thing I'm hunting for
Is an outfit that looks good.
See my vest, see my vest,
Made from real gorilla chest.
Feel this sweater, there's no better
Than authentic Irish Setter.
See this hat, 'twas my cat.
My evening wear, vampire bat.
These white slippers are albino
African endangered rhino.
Grizzly bear underwear,
Turtle necks I've got my share.
Beret of poodle on my noodle it shall rest
Try my red robin suit,
It comes one breast or two...
See my vest, See my vest, See my vest.
Like my loafers, former gophers,
It was that or skin my chauffeurs,
But a greyhound fur tuxedo would be best...
So let's prepare these dogs,
Kill two for matching clogs!
See my vest!
See me vest!
Oh, please, won't you see my veeeeeesst!

[thound]

Originally posted by footsniffa
i so do Love animaLs.....



...some men hunt for sport,
Others hunt for food.
The only thing I'm hunting for
Is an outfit that looks good.
See my vest, see my vest,
Made from real gorilla chest.
Feel this sweater, there's no better
Than authentic Irish Setter.
See this hat, 'twas my cat.
My evening wear, vampire bat.
These white slippers are albino
African endangered rhino.
Grizzly bear underwear,
Turtle necks I've got my share.
Beret of poodle on my noodle it shall rest
Try my red robin suit,
It comes one breast or two...
See my vest, See my vest, See my vest.
Like my loafers, former gophers,
It was that or skin my chauffeurs,
But a greyhound fur tuxedo would be best...
So let's prepare these dogs,
Kill two for matching clogs!
See my vest!
See me vest!
Oh, please, won't you see my veeeeeesst!




I see we have a Simpson's fan in the hizzhouse!

[footsniffa]

oh most definateLy.... i'm gLad that reference wasn't Lost on you
:D

[John]

http://www.mistressdestiny.com/pig.gif

[footsniffa]

i haven't taken part in this discussion, other than popping in repeatedLy to be a retard, mainLy, because i got into it pretty deep the Last time around... i don't feeL the need to rehash oLd arguements, which wiLL most LikeLy eLicit the same responses, and finaLLy degenerate to name caLLing... with that said, i do have something new to add to this furious mix......

the notion that, "kids who kiLL animaLs, grow up to be seriaL kiLLers" or Like arguements... i have Long accepted this notion as fact without reaLLy thinking about it. but, i was just recaLLing my chiLdhood, and i can remember many a time, myseLf and/or neigborhood kids wouLd kiLL/maim animaLs (99% of the time= pigeons) and (so far, anyways) none of us have murdered, and none of us have commited heinous acts of vioLence.

soooooo, i beLieve this scientific fact, to be skewed, much in the same way anti-drug zeaLots tout their scientific facts. example: the decLaration of marijuana as a gateway drug. they interview everyone who uses (or has used) heroin, and ask if they've ever smoked pot. of course they have. but if you ask everyone who smokes pot (or has) if they aLso do heroin, the poLL becomes inversed.
i can't heLp but think that it might be the case here, as weLL....


and in my rambLing ways.... i aLso recaLL the case of eddie o'brien, a young somerviLLe, ma. teen who was convicted of murdering his neighbor.... with a huge Lack of evidence against the kid (i think he did it, but i reaLLy don't think the d.a. proved his case) the d.a. brought before the court, some items siezed from young eddie's room. the most distubing "evidence" was the kid's coLLection of porno mags (i think he had 3?) that was submitted to show that he was a pervert and sex obsessed monster bent on objectifying women and/or kiLLing them. what does this story have to do with anything? i'm not sure yet..... basicaLLy, again, i had a coLLection of porns when i was 14 too, and again i didn't kiLL anybody (yet).

[lionhart7]

I dunno, i didn't know a lot of kids who were cruel to animals...i only knew of one. He used to shove lit firecrackers into frogs, and i remember one afternoon where his brother, my brother, myself and other neighbourhood kids chased him to stop him from pouring a can of varsol on some local cats and dogs and setting them ablaze. He grew up to be a respectable young man...as a bouncer he killed and maimed a man, then later decided that his supervisors wife was being 'rude' when she rejected his advances...so he raped and brutally killed her. A real nice guy.

Sure, some people like PETA are extremists, but not all anti-cruelty advocates share their views--if anything, the extremists are counter-productive to the cause. Just like the religous extremists, who often overshadow much of the good deeds religous organizations do.

Common sense should tell people what is right and wrong. Animal cruelty is wrong...bottom line...and anyone who advocates needs both their heart and head examined.

[thound]

Originally posted by footsniffa
the notion that, "kids who kiLL animaLs, grow up to be seriaL kiLLers" or Like arguements... i have Long accepted this notion as fact without reaLLy thinking about it. but, i was just recaLLing my chiLdhood, and i can remember many a time, myseLf and/or neigborhood kids wouLd kiLL/maim animaLs (99% of the time= pigeons) and (so far, anyways) none of us have murdered, and none of us have commited heinous acts of vioLence.

soooooo, i beLieve this scientific fact, to be skewed, much in the same way anti-drug zeaLots tout their scientific facts. example: the decLaration of marijuana as a gateway drug. they interview everyone who uses (or has used) heroin, and ask if they've ever smoked pot. of course they have. but if you ask everyone who smokes pot (or has) if they aLso do heroin, the poLL becomes inversed.
i can't heLp but think that it might be the case here, as weLL....




No one is saying that ALL people who are cruel to animals, will become rapists and murderers, nor is anyone saying that ALL rapists and muderers are animal abusers.

The facts are, that the majority of people who HAVE... repeat HAVE.. committed violent acts towards other humans, have histories of animal abuse in their background.

There is no denying the link.

[thound]

Originally posted by lionhart7
I dunno, i didn't know a lot of kids who were cruel to animals...i only knew of one. He used to shove lit firecrackers into frogs, and i remember one afternoon where his brother, my brother, myself and other neighbourhood kids chased him to stop him from pouring a can of varsol on some local cats and dogs and setting them ablaze. He grew up to be a respectable young man...as a bouncer he killed and maimed a man, then later decided that his supervisors wife was being 'rude' when she rejected his advances...so he raped and brutally killed her. A real nice guy.

Sure, some people like PETA are extremists, but not all anti-cruelty advocates share their views--if anything, the extremists are counter-productive to the cause. Just like the religous extremists, who often overshadow much of the good deeds religous organizations do.

Common sense should tell people what is right and wrong. Animal cruelty is wrong...bottom line...and anyone who advocates needs both their heart and head examined.



Agreed Lionheart, there are extremists concerning every issue on earth, and those extremists do nothing but harm the cause for which they supposedly stand.

I believe that crushing an animal for "pleasure" shows an extreme lack of compassion, and makes me wonder about that person's respect for life itself.

If it is wrong to question the heart and soul of those who participate in this subculture of the crush fetish, please explain to me why.

We ALL know that this subculture makes up a small fraction of the crush community, so please don't take this as an indictment of the entire fetish.

[UnderGirlsHeels]

The facts are, that the majority of people who HAVE... repeat HAVE.. committed violent acts towards other humans, have histories of animal abuse in their background.

they probably have histories of robbing cars & houses & domestic assault as well at the end of the day they are a bunch of cunts nothing more...

& even the crush fetishes that are into rabbits & mice or whatever being killed, that person wouldnt harm a animal they just get a thrill of a girl doing it...so that puts us out of that catagory..

PS i dont like animal crush by the way just bugs & food

[thound]

Originally posted by UnderGirlsHeels
even the crush fetishes that are into rabbits & mice or whatever being killed, that person wouldnt harm a animal they just get a thrill of a girl doing it...so that puts us out of that catagory.


Oh. That makes it ok then. NOT.


Question.

Charles Manson never killed anyone himself either, hell, he wasn't even at at either crime scene. Does that make him any less culpable for what happened?


What about all the people who "hire" others to kill someone? Since they didn't do it themselves, does it absolve them of responsibility?


The analogies though extreme, fit the situation very well.

Those who pay for these videos and those who support these acts, both directly and indirectly are responsible for the cruelty depicted.

[Jwoody]

It's fact of life, so that makes it ok!

Again we hear the "animals are used for food" excuse.

Of course they're used for food! As has been said, they are a PART of the food chain, and that humans to survive, need to kill at times to provide food. That's the way the animal kingdom revolves.

The circle of life is a natural process and nature keeps itself in balance

That does NOT justify killing them for sexual gratification.

Humans are the ONLY species that kills for this.
I never said I think crushing animals is what I am comfortable with . But I still can't find and reason that one should be attacked because they have a hardcore fetish and like it .
You make it such a huge issue that because one kills for sexual gradification then its just pure evil or bad . Again thats your opinion of it and I respect it but its good that even though we dont all agree we are free to decide for ourselfs and enjoy crush reguardless of someone elses opinion of it . Here in the USA its only against the law to crush a mouse on tape and sell it .
You can have the movies and you can share them as long as you dont sell them or produce them now. The only reason its illegal is because some wanker with alot of money had congress to pass a law because he didnt like the thought of someone enjoying seeing a rat get crushed . (kinda like you )So with enough money and some Peta backing along the way they made it illegal . Up until then it wasnt even an issue . I know some didn't know about it but even afterwards I would hear people everywhere I went talking about the fact a girl couldnt stomp a rat lol kinda made the people pushing this law a laughing stock . I really love Peta and like minded people . I know some people running Peta and they love all the money that is raised from the animal lover groups lol. They volunteer there time to make some board members rich lol.
Its also funny how they brainwash people about how they love animals too . I mean I went to the pet sheltor and tryed to get a dog once and they wanted me to pay 65 dollars for it . They told me if I didnt take it that soon they would have to gas it . wow and how they love these animals lol.
You have decided in your mind that you don't like it and everyone should think as you do ..you would make a great liberal ...I think your full blooded already . So people get sexual gradification from it and you hate that ....thats fine but its not for you to decide everyones preference . Can I justify it ...I never tryed to ..all I pointed out was the fact that a mouse can be killed in a trap but it
makes some small group of people mad if a woman steps on it .
You called my arguement empty well hell man tell me this .
Do you find it ok to set a mouse trap ...Im sure you do .
Almost everyone here thats against crushing one is ok with it .
If your so against killing it with sexual gradification but not with a trap then you dont even make sence with your argument .
You should at least be consistent and say a mouse should not be killed in any way . Instead its all about the fact someone mite like it lol ...Ok you believe its ok to kill it as long as you dont enjoy it rofl your great at this man !!!!!!!

Again, it's the deflect the argument tactic. We're not talking about the trample fetish here, we're talking about the "crush" fetish, particularly, the fascination with crushing small animals to death.
Again its apparent that you dont really have a fetish yourself
For if you did you would know that these people didnt chose to like it . And you can't change their minds and attacking them want help your cause either .

Let me get this straight...

You're actually trying to equate spaying and neutering to cruelty and abuse? To crushing them for thrills?
Yea i am ! I have had you say they remember and have all these deep feelings and memories so you have a cat and decide to have its balls cut off . I wonder how you would like someone to decide you don't need any balls lol maybe you dont have none now ? If I was a cat and I got cut I really think I rather be dead lol




The study WAS accurate. Again, you're not paying attention. Go figure...
Yea I really understand the way the studies are worked to be an example for someone who wants it to support what they believe .
I could hire 10 people to poll anything I want them to and as long as I was the one that hired them I can achive the results I want ..
dam thats never been a secret but I still havent herd you tell us how in your mind that you think that because a serial killer was mean to animals it has any bearing on this subject ...again I knew alot of people that were mean to animals and non have killed anyone ...well if they have its been a huge kelpt secret and all the people in the crush fetish then should basically be killers on the lose lol yea you have proven that point with that silly study ...only something you read and what was it 88% well you know that crush fetish lovers aren't serial killers so thats real evidence not just a study .
I suppose just because "everyone" who smacked a dog or set fire to the cat when they were young didn't turn out to be John Giotti, makes everything ok in your book, and therefore invalidates the unmistakable evidence that a very large percentage of those who perpetrate violence on animals often perpetrate violent crimes on humans.

Lame argument? Hardly.
Yea really it is since i know most of the hardest crush collectors
They surely would be in jail by now on murder one for they show the most extreme love of animal cruelty. But yet they are some of the nicest people around .
I also do not agree with the verbiage that some of these people have posted, because all it does is derail the actual facts and points of the issue at hand.

Labeling people will do nothing except to divide and flame the issues and perpetrate the very insensitivity we are trying to avoid
I agree and will stop posting in this thread as long as I don't get attacked again lol
I like you dont get involved in crushing of animals .
But we must understand that those with that fetish don't chose it ...they just have it same as anyone else with whatever fetish they have. Attacking them is not right either but just expressing an opinion without calling them vulgar names would make you seem less ignorant . I know you didn't just stating that .

@ Jump
I apoligize for the moron comment .
I still don't understand the comparrison of child rape to crush but either way I know your not a moron . I have enjoyed all the different view here and repect them .


:)
As lap has done said this is an argument that will never be resolved here.
I love insect and object crush ...I have not had time to look over this trample board and if I havent made the mods here to pissed to get banned I am going to look it over lol.
I do invite any with a foot fetish to come over to the ocmb and if you are not into crush just come into the shoe/ foot forum ..you will find some of the best foot pics around ...alot of original pics also :) I'll treat you good ;) and there's no crush in there :)No one is saying that ALL people who are cruel to animals, will become rapists and murderers, nor is anyone saying that ALL rapists and muderers are animal abusers.
Then your deverting the argument the same as you accused me of for by your own words its not relevent !
Most legal prohibitions fall into a similar scenario, thus "morals" are not necessary to prevent society's ills from becoming the norm. Most people who tout "morals" as a reason do so from either an imprinted belief usually acquired in childhood or from a desire to control others. The way to deal with the imprinting is to constantly ask the question "Why shouldn't I do this?" and if you can't come up with a good rational reason you're probably just marching in lockstep to an imprint you received (usually) as a child and you should reject it.
Dam lap your post wasnt even responded to ...I guess it was because it was really hard to argue the points you made or maybe its over there heads ;)

[John]

http://www.mistressdestiny.com/pig.gif

[BootWorshipper]

John,
Where did you get that pig from anyways? LOL

[John]

hehehehe...can't really remember where I got it...but it reminds me of one of my favorite quotes..

"Never try to teach a pig to sing....it wastes your time and annoys the pig..."

That's where I see this discussion going...and I have a natural aversion to debating where facts are thrown out the window in favor of emotional responses...

I can crush all of these animal crush fetishist arguements to dust with cold logical statements against their retarded ones...but what good would it do?

Here's a great one..

"The only reason its illegal is because some wanker with alot of money had congress to pass a law..."

How do you enter a debate with someone with thought processes of that kind? Congress passes anti-crush laws because of some wanker with money? LOL...it's too absurd to even reply to...

Therefore, I choose not to throw my hand into the debate on any large scale. If your mental level is such that you can get sexual gratification from the murdering of helpless animals, I really have little to say to you anyway...insulting or not.

[Stryder]

CONSENT
That is really the only point I ever make. If you cannot consent because of age, infirmity, being drugged or too drunk or unconscious....or because of mental capacity or species (read all animals that have not yet been given the ability to think, judge and make a considered choice on their own behalf) then it is obviously not right for another to get their kicks from that lack of consent.

Food and survival are essential and even animals kill each other for that purpose but for the sake of a thrill well I just dont see the need....and for sexual kicks it really is getting into the area that causes folks to judge everyone that has a fetish in the same manner.

It is like the tired old arguement that the child molester throws up time and time again "they wanted it" "they gave consent" "they came onto me" "he/she was 14 going on 30"....in those circumstance it is up to the right thinking and behaving individual to act lawfully and fairly and not take advantage of the precocious nature of some young folk.

Just because an animal does not say no or cannot say no does not mean that consent is given. We have some nice crocodiles over here that would love someone to attempt to trample them to death....now there is an idea and a more even match. The authorities were not reacting to the requests of the rich in stopping this type of behaviour they were reacting to what is right, sane and expected by about 99 percent of the free thinking world. I hate the way these debates go on and now I have just added to it. I dont like or use the term crush and will not use it anywhere on my site when it starts and I think that those who enjoy the crushing of food or objects should find another term for it so as to not have it confused with the other form of crush and the topic of this debate.

[DaremoAlpha]

Stryder--- I don't think we want to take a walk down this ramp way do we? Different forum but always the same game.


I mentiond this in the crush message board in a heavy fight and now I am curious since this is a trample board more so.

What happens the first time some hot woman accidentally slips and drives her heels right through some guys eyeball and then trample gets outlawed? Will all the trample defenders cry out in defense then or simply jump on the next bandwagon and denounce trample too?

I like crush in all it's forms period.

I also have a clip of a woman shooting the head right off an ostrich and I am sure she never ate anything she shot, but hey she used a gun so that makes it ok and nobody should notice the hot looking blonde in the tight fitting clothes behind the gun.

And as for the law against crush yea you can sure bet there was somebody with major capital behind that otherwise the goverment would not have bothered since they are so busy doing other crap to screw up everybodies lives then having the nerve to deny it.

Thound I am curious about this "study" you keep citing about animal abusers becoming murderers etc, how big of a study and how far does it extend. Did it ever give numbers other than just jersey? After all it is merely one American city and not to wave the flag or anything but you Americans are a bit nuts anyway hehehe unlike us up north and feel free to blow up on that tag but face it our crime rate and murder rates are way lower than yours even when you do the comparison via population per sq mile.

Take care...

[John]

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[rugman]

Stryder, I completely concur. Consent is the basic qualifier. All else is mere justification… an artifice; a contrivance of convenience, allowing pleasure at the expense of humanity.

[John]

Originally posted by DaremoAlpha
What happens the first time some hot woman accidentally slips and drives her heels right through some guys eyeball and then trample gets outlawed? Will all the trample defenders cry out in defense then or simply jump on the next bandwagon and denounce trample too?

What happens the first time some guy drops a huge load of cum in some girls eye and she goes blind? Will they outlaw blowjobs?

I loathe people with no ability to argue in logical terms....

[John]

Here's a link for ya....and it's Canadian for you oh so superior people up North...

http://anticruelty.ca/roots.html

[Stryder]

DaremoAlpha:
I dont play games and dont consider this discussion a game. Consent means just that. Sexual thrills from the death of something is not really a good thing. And before I bow out of this discussion...to answer your absurd analogy of trample with heels on consenting humans and crushing of animals. I have lodged with my lawyers a document that indicates in case of serious injury underfoot I have consented and any injury flowing from that consent is by my misadventure and not as a result of any illegal or unwanted conduct by the lady or ladies concerned.

If however (like at least two prosecutions I have conducted in the past) a woman uses her heels to assault and seriously injure someone through her own anger or for kicks and not in self defence then yes she should be dealt with by the law.....

It is a measure of your level of understanding when you suddenly turn the debate into an attack by a Canadian on your US brothers that is not what the issue was about...and I am sure that my Canadian friends dont agree with your sentiments or logic on any level.

[The Penguin]

I have nothing more to say except I know I am right Stryder's right and others as well. Thound (Rudy?) and John present a far more persuasive position than I have the time to come up with by my self

The pig says it all Eh? John?

[John]

What I want to know from the geniuses who apparently have such in depth knowledge of the Federal legislation process...

Who had the money to pay off Congressman Elton Gallegly (a multi-millionaire many times over) to bring the anti-crush bill to Congress?

And then who paid off a gigantic majority of the Congress (the bill passed 372-42)?

And then who paid off President Bill Clinton to sign it into law?

Oh, and another thing....

http://www.mistressdestiny.com/pig.gif

[ice water]

just don't understand!!!! I been reading some of you all posting about animal crushing. What give you the right to call it sick. Some people might find your fetish sick. Think about. Cause you don't like it. I can't See it. What if people wanted to put a stop on women trampling humans on the internet.

I don't judge anyone fetish. We kill animals everyday. Some of you all eat them too. Does that make you a sick person?? How many of you set a rat traps??? You Breaking a Rat Nick. Is that crue?
How Many of you have hire a exterminator. Some of you have brought spray and kill a bug ,but its wrong for you to have a women step on it . Lots of people think it sick for a woman to trample a human. Do you want People calling you Sick ??

Don't Judge .

wonder whats next don't crush toys and fruit

[thound]

Originally posted by Jwoody
. I wonder how you would like someone to decide you don't need any balls lol maybe you dont have none now ?


Now see.... Here I was being all civil and such, and you have to go and diss me by telling the world about my "deep dark secret"

Sniff :cry:

It's true, I am gonad-less :(

I love animals so much and am such a extremist, that I volunteered to donate my testicles to the US fish and wildlife's animal husbandry institute, so that they could implant them into the last male north american spotted duckbilled beaverbear (americus duckbillus spotticus bearbeavericus ) in existence, in fervent hopes that the species could stave off it's near extinction.

The beaverbear, which once numbered in the millions, has seen it's numbers dwindle to the 5 currently in captivity, with 4 of those being female and the one male.

Through the past few decades however, their numbers have dwindled drastically due to extensive hunting, trapping, and mass suicides brought on by trying to decipher posts by Jwoody

The 35 year old male beaverbear ( affectionately named crushy ) had tried to mate several times over the last few years to no avail, and after extensive tests, was found to have become sterile due to extensive contact with slimeballs he met on an internet nessage board.

Doctor's at the institue state that hopefully, the implantation of the powerful and potent organs, will enable crushy to to get back in the 'saddle' and once again fill the land as far as the eye can see with beaverbears of all sizes.

[Darwin]

The point is IMHO:
It is sick and bad to kill or torture our lovely pets like dogs and cats. No question!
To do this is a crime!

But vermin like insects, spiders, bugs, mouse or rats to kill or crush, is it really sick or mad? In every day life we kill these pest too with poison, traps and so on. And what about cruel animal experiments with mouses and rats? The mouse activists are perhaps the crazies, why they protest not against exterminators and cruel mouse traps? No pics or videos about in the internet? :)

Between black and white are the other colors...

[thound]

Originally posted by John
Here's a link for ya....and it's Canadian for you oh so superior people up North...

http://anticruelty.ca/roots.html


Hey... what's with trying to bring logic and fact into this debate?

You arrogant extremist liberal you! :eyebrows:

[steel242002]

You guy's are the pot calling the kettle black. I eat fish, chicken,beef everyday. I don't ask every critter I eat concent. You girls have to get out of the city for a weekend and come out to the farm for the weekend.

[Stryder]

ICE WATER
Ice (Frozen cold immobile) water (fluid no solidity) speaks volumes about your capacity to understand the logic of the argument and to reply with any substance. What part of the words NON CONSENT and "killing another living creature for sexual thrill being ethically and morally wrong" do you have trouble understanding?

People like you can think what they like about two consenting adults allowing the woman to walk on the man the fact is there is consent and willingness to be involved in this act for pleasure or pain. The impotent arguments supplied by your kind about killing creatures for pest control and food or even for the hunters out there is a far cry from some little person sitting in a room or behind a computer watching a scene involving a girl (and usually a very young girl or someone feeding a drug habit and needing the money) killing warm blooded mammals with her feet and shoes while the little person (emphasis on little) wanks themselves. These folk usually have fantasies about the poor creature actually being themselves but are too afraid to actually let someone step on them or could not ever get anyone to do so because they are the type of person who gets off seeing creatures tortured and killed. I agree with some of the earlier posts (and have had first hand experience in the legal and police system) that folks thus inclined are more likely to care nothing for the suffering of other humans as well....it is true that most serious human killers and torturers and sexual kill thrill serial killers started their first tortures and killings with defenceless animals and moved up to bigger more exciting game. Most kids have killed a small creature as part of growing up and because they are only children and dont know the difference...but those who continue this behaviour and link it with their sexuality have missed something in their makeup or have been the victims of abuse.

If you dont want to be judged for your hard on for this type of action dont come here and share it with those who are not interested....and dont (even in your stumbling inadequate way) try to justify this behaviour with such embarrassing lack luster ridiculous, comparisons that would not even hold very cold water.

There are places you can go to be amongst others to talk about your sex lives and how sexy your last masturbationary fantasy was about some kittens being maimed and killed....

Any reasonable person into this type of behaviour (and that is a contradiction in terms) would realise that it is totally reprehensible and keep it to themselves or those of a like mind and not try to come here and try to compare it with trample between consenting adult humans.

The few times that underage kids issues have been mentioned here the few folk who are obviously into kids also try to justify their actions by attacking those of us here that are not so inclined. Every really seriously screwed up person will try to justify their existance and beliefs and the way in which they get their kicks but dont be surprised if your vaccuous arguments and assertions are torn to pieces. Some things are better left to yourself as there is no justification for them and the more you try to justify them the worse you sound to clear thinking folks.

Thanks Johnny bring on a dancing pig for me mate. I guess this board attracts all types the good and the bad....thank goodness the later is the minority.

Oh and steel242002
You missed the point mate....I eat fish, chicken, and meat too as it is assumed that it is part of being a human to eat meat and vegetables (unless you are are vegan) but I dont cream my jeans when I see my lamb chops and I would not want to eat something that was killed for the sake of giving someone a sexual thrill. I would kill my own meat without feeling guilty but if I had an orgasm over it I would sign myself up for treatment dont you see the distinction??? I have also been hunting...did not really enjoy much but dont think it is evil but if I was a hunter that killed because it gave me a hard on and wank material then I would take a good long look at myself in the green room. It is the non consent (which animals can never give) coupled with the sexual component that the 'girls' you refer to (which I imagine includes myself) are talking about. Sex and death are two very incompatible bed partners regardless of the species. Surely you have not been on the farm that long that you cannot see the main thrust of this whole issue....its the sexual kick not the killing of creatures that is the debate.

[bfrug]

Stryder,

I think you summed up the whole argument here (a couple of posts ago) in ONE word - regarding inflicting any form of pain on any living creature for pleasure - CONSENT.

cheers mate - you & Helen take care
bfrug

[footsniffa]

Originally posted by thound



Now see.... Here I was being all civil and such, and you have to go and diss me by telling the world about my "deep dark secret"

Sniff :cry:

It's true, I am gonad-less :(

I love animals so much and am such a extremist, that I volunteered to donate my testicles to the US fish and wildlife's animal husbandry institute, so that they could implant them into the last male north american spotted duckbilled beaverbear (americus duckbillus spotticus bearbeavericus ) in existence, in fervent hopes that the species could stave off it's near extinction.

The beaverbear, which once numbered in the millions, has seen it's numbers dwindle to the 5 currently in captivity, with 4 of those being female and the one male.

Through the past few decades however, their numbers have dwindled drastically due to extensive hunting, trapping, and mass suicides brought on by trying to decipher posts by Jwoody

The 35 year old male beaverbear ( affectionately named crushy ) had tried to mate several times over the last few years to no avail, and after extensive tests, was found to have become sterile due to extensive contact with slimeballs he met on an internet nessage board.

Doctor's at the institue state that hopefully, the implantation of the powerful and potent organs, will enable crushy to to get back in the 'saddle' and once again fill the land as far as the eye can see with beaverbears of all sizes.

hehehehehe.... i Like your debate styLe.. i try to go the same route :P

[ice water]

Stryder. I guess your a normal person. What right do you have to put others down. shame on you.

I hate to see how many rats and bugs are living in your home.

[DaremoAlpha]

Hey Stryder... How many sites of mine were you a member of?
AIM still or are you hiding from that now?


John, first off argueing with a dancing pig sure makes light of many things but thank you for posting that link there, it was a good read and shows that some people do get out of hand.

But that still never answered my question to Thound about just how big the study he quotes from is and why he only used American cities ( was the study only done in Jersey?)

And as for my "attack" on America the only thing I am attacking is the fact that the southerners have way more cases involving abuses and murder than we do and there is nothing that can prove that wrong.

[lionhart7]

Some people can never be convinced, even if their opinions have no basis in logic and common sense. Oh well. If there was poetic justice in this world the people who get off on animals (or any non consenting lifeforms) suffer would find themselves trapped in an alligator swamp or scorpion pit, and get to experience suffering first hand.

There's nothing more to say than...

Dance, pig, dance!!!!

(Pig's fan club->) :bananadan :bananajum :bananavic :bananawav

[footsniffa]

personaLLy, i think the whoLe crush fetish in generaL is just sick, sick, sick..... you peopLe disgust me whether it's a soda can, a piece of cake, fLowers, whatever.... why can't you have a normaL heaLthy fetish Like us

[John]

Originally posted by DaremoAlpha
And as for my "attack" on America the only thing I am attacking is the fact that the southerners have way more cases involving abuses and murder than we do and there is nothing that can prove that wrong.

Okay, Mr. Logic - What other facts shall we bring into this debate that are 100% meaningless to the conversation?

How about what color underwear you are wearing? The relevance is the same to THIS debate.

So explain this Mr. Logic - Let me help you in your format here...

A.) Some people like to see helpless animals tortured to death

B.) The U.S. has more cases involving abuse and murder than Canada

And these two facts have illustrated.......what? How about the murder rate on the moon? Why didn't you mention that? It has the same significance to a debate where the question VERY simply is "Should helpless animals be tortured to death for sexual gratification?"

So, either you are FOR helpless animals being tortured to death so people can masturbate while watching them die, or you are AGAINST helpless animals being tortured to death so people can masturbate while watching them die.

Hey look, I'm wasting my time trying to teach the pigs to dance...

http://www.mistressdestiny.com/pig.gif

[footsniffa]

Originally posted by John



So, either you are FOR helpless animals being tortured to death so people can masturbate while watching them die, or you are AGAINST helpless animals being tortured to death so people can masturbate while watching them die.



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john, are you actuaLLy the commander in chief? i had now idea W was a trampLe enthusiast... i couLdn't heLp but harken back to the "state of the union" he gave after 9-11, where he procLaimed, "you are either with us, or against us".... is there no french, i mean, middLe ground?

ps: why is nobuddy barking about the price of fish in portugaL?

[UnderGirlsHeels]

originally.....posted by Footsniffa

personaLLy, i think the whoLe crush fetish in generaL is just sick, sick, sick..... you peopLe disgust me whether it's a soda can, a piece of cake, fLowers, whatever.... why can't you have a normaL heaLthy fetish Like us

so if its that normal & your proud of it why dont you go on TV like Jeff v did? & tell all of your family & friends & old school friends etc? you think trample is normal?? well i wouldnt tell all my family about my trample fetish only Emma & her friends know about this i must admit crush is a little more weird, but at the end of the day we are what we are & didnt choose to be this way

[footsniffa]

i reaLLy shouLdn't respond to undergirLsheeLs... but i wiLL... that post, Like every other of mine on this particuLar thread (excLuding the one i prefaced by saying, "something of substance this time), was posted in compLete sarcastic undertones.... i'm sorry you didn't see it for what it was (unLess your post is more cynicaL than mine, and i just can't teLL anymore)

i suppose the reaL reason i'm responding though; who is "jeff v".. and aLso, i'm very outspoken about my fetish... i was kicked outta the "fetish cLoset" whiLe i was in high schooL... it was embarrassing at the time, but i eventuaLLy took it and made it my own... so for 10 years now, i've been "that foot guy"... my famiLy knows, my friends know, my oLd schooL friends know... i haven't been on tv yet, but i'd be wiLLing.. god knows there are far more damaging photos of me out there on the web :P

hopefuLLy my famiLy never sees those pix

[UnderGirlsHeels]

Just out of curiosity why do you put a capital "L" in the middle of the words?

I can fully understand people not liking animal crush but a soda can is totally diffrent, this is the last time iam gonna reply to this thread its totally pointless & going nowhere, if i was a mod this thread would either be in the flame pit or deleted...

Take care..MARK

[africanus54]

as someone from a developing country i find the term third world country irritating and most condescending last time i looked at an atlas i saw one world it annoys me very much just as how people refer to the white race black race etc.there is only one race and thts the human race maybe when we fix the problems refered to above we wont be wasting time and energy discussing animal crushing while children are dying of starvation and aids is ravishing africa

[footsniffa]

Originally posted by UnderGirlsHeels
Just out of curiosity why do you put a capital "L" in the middle of the words?

I can fully understand people not liking animal crush but a soda can is totally diffrent, this is the last time iam gonna reply to this thread its totally pointless & going nowhere, if i was a mod this thread would either be in the flame pit or deleted...

Take care..MARK


hey now... i took the time to respond to your post, as weLL as answer this question... pLease show me the same courtesy... who is this "jeff v" you speak of? is it a british thing?

as for the "L's".... that's the footsniffa's caLLing card.... if you see script Like this fLoating around other pLaces... it's 1) me 2) one of my many fans 3) one of my many staLkers, or 4) one of my many, many enemies

ps: you do reaLize i was joking earLier, right?

[UnderGirlsHeels]

ok mate, no problem if you was joking thats ok... the jeff v (Jeff Vilencia) he is very famous in the Crush community he made trample videos also he was famous for his Squish Playhouses, he has been on TV, he made a book etc (The American Journal Of The Crushfreeks) his videos are awesome i wish he was still around, his videos are very amusing the comments he makes on them the squish playhouses are very funny, for anyone that has seen his videos will know what i mean..

[Jwoody]

Daremo
Hey buddy just let it go .
There will be no winners here .
Two different fetishes and some don't have both :)

[John]

Especially let it go if your debating skills follow this pattern of logic :

Animal crush is okay because 7 out of 10 people prefer Pepsi over Coca-Cola...

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[UnderGirlsHeels]

John animal crush is not ok!! we are not talking about animal crush now, i have 2 cats & a iguanna, but because iam a crush freek people automatically think i get off on animals being crushed but that isnt the case, why do people automatically think crush freeks get off on animals??

if you look on my site its is trample & crush (bugs only) Emma & I could not hurt any animal..

[John]

UnderGirlsHeels, I don't assume anything....I have not addressed any individual as far as their fetish is concerned...

The only people that should be lumped in with animal crush lovers (also known as people who love to see helpless animals tortured so they can masturbate), is ANIMAL CRUSH LOVERS...

This is not a real hard concept to understand...and some people want to grasp at straws to justify it because it's very obvious they are disgusted with themselves anyway...I understand that for the most part they can't help it...but the underlying self-hatred is SO obvious to anyone that has studied psychology for any number of years...

The bottom line is, these people are getting off sexually and are aroused/excited at the thought and image of another living creature being tortured to death. This is NOT a sign of a healthy mentality, regardless of what they may want to think.

So they argue "You kill animals for food!"
Well, no duh? And anyone that wants a hamburger that goes out and jacks off to the cow getting slaughtered before he eats it is a big whacko, too...

And they argue "You catch rats in traps!"
Well, no duh? And anyone that waits by the trap and jacks off while the rat is writhing in pain with his neck broken needs some intervention and QUICK...

I love the "who are you to judge?" comments....those are great. Who are we to judge if parents should mistreat their children? It's none of our business, right? Who are we to judge if one country wants to kill every member of an Ethnicity? It's none of our business, right?

We have a right to judge and speak our minds. You have the right to judge the people speaking their minds. That's a fundamental fact of life. Crying because someone judges you is a waste of time and a childish act. People judge me all the time based on posts I make here....

Guess how much I care? :D

[Stryder]

NOT A MEMBER

DaremoAlpha
What was that an attempt at? I am not currently a member of any site...I am trying too hard to get mine up and running and trying to balance that with a busy law school schedule. But for the record I have never been nor never will be a member of a crush site because of the link with crushed and tortured animals and whilst I see nothing wrong with object crushing it does nothing for me so why would I spend money on it....???

Your lame attempt to discredit me will fail miserably as everyone here well knows my feelings on certain issues. I did not make a personal attack on you I simply stated as I do again that torturing and killing something for no purpose OTHER THAN FOR SEXUAL KICKS IS WRONG. My friend if you want to make it personal then go for it and let us see who comes out on top.

When I first started on the net 10 years or so ago I looked at many sites and in fact did see some animal crush sites because I thought that crush meant human crush, that is how I personally know what kind of damaged mind would like this type of thing. I applauded the authorities shutting them down and prosecuting them. So you cant even suggest that I dont know what I am talking about in that regard.

And as for the genius who says I should be ashamed of myself and suggests I am not a normal person either that hurts me so much NOT!!!!!!!
:D
How many bugs and rats do I have at my place???....none at the moment because I kill the little shits.....but dont jack off on their carcasses fool. It is too bad the pest exterminators have not visited this thread the rats and bugs are breeding again and some of it is inbreeding I would suggest:kissbutt:

John I think I am bored with this thread now mate what about another pig? I do enjoy a challenging debate but the defense side in this issue lacks credible arguments, structured logic, or any semblance of intellect...and they keep missing the point and going back to the pest control, hunting, or killing for food issue. They forget we are talking about their propensity to grab their weenies for kicks watching something die...stick the weeny under the same feet killing the animals or better still they should stick their heads into the nearest shrink.

Perhaps mate you could just shut the thread down and drive them off their soap boxes back into hiding and obscurity and their secret loathing of themselves and their own existance which they are too weak to do anything about themselves and transfer this hatred onto the innocent vicitms of their hate.

Oh I agree 100% about the fox hunting...done for cruel reasons is just that and done for sexual reasons is worse. I dont think that crush folks are child molesters unless they use underage girls to do the killing for them...but the arguments used to support the killing of another creature for sexual kicks are very much the same.

NOPE IT IS AS I THOUGHT: Regarding DaremoAlpha's comments. I am not even a member of a yahoo group for crush except I notice I am still current with the group started by the lady "lul 2 Crush" and I joined that because she was attached to my friend Kingfish's site and did some trample but I did not like her partner's attitude and she did not do enough trample for me so I stopped going to Kingfish site for quite a while. I have also cancelled my membership with that group this morning although I dont think she did animal crush or promoted it.

I would suggest as a matter of common sense that those who like harmless object and food crush use some other descriptor to identify their sites as the word crush has bad connotations because of the animal torture for sexual gratification. I would also urge good trample sites to not call themselves Crush World etc as most trample folks wont go there for fear of seeing what they dont want to see. It is a classic example of sites trying to put too much on the site to cover everyone's interest. Cant trample also include trampling objects or food etc without calling it crush? It is like those who say they have school girl this or that and wonder why they get raided or why people are a little concerned to attend the site. For instance what sensible folk here would go to a site that said teen trample or school girl trample without indicating that it was adult women dressed that way? So why would we go to a site that says crush (even if it is a trample site) if we want trample? Big brother does watch.

[UnderGirlsHeels]

This is not a real hard concept to understand...and some people want to grasp at straws to justify it because it's very obvious they are disgusted with themselves anyway...I understand that for the most part they can't help it...but the underlying self-hatred is SO obvious to anyone that has studied psychology for any number of years

You are quite right there John, infact there are members that have the crush fetish & they feel guilty i have even heard some of them saying they might get counciling, but at the end of the day they are what they are & they cant help it, some have even had guilt trips & deleted all their material pics & clips etc. some of these people feel guilty enough without people calling them sick & paedophiles we have a bad enough name as it is, but you have got to admit there John calling us a child molester is way over the top, i know you didnt say such things but some of the members on this thread did,

What about these fox hunters getting off on the fox being ripped up by dogs?? well i would put them into a diffrent league altogether than even the most hardcore crush freeks, that is one of the most bazzare fetishes i have ever heard of.

[Jwoody]

LOL pepsi over coke

And they argue "You catch rats in traps!"
You totally missed the whole point on it anyway lol
The way you put it does not suprise me any thou .

I really loved the argument about morals lol

We have a right to judge and speak our minds. You have the right to judge the people speaking their minds. That's a fundamental fact of life. Crying because someone judges you is a waste of time and a childish act. People judge me all the time based on posts I make here....
Yea I have been told alot based on your posts by others here
Good thing you don't care lol

I really loved the fact you brought up Bill Clinton in a thread dealing with morals ROFL I bet you voted for that moral bastard as well .....Yea he lead the moral example . Anybody would have signed it just for the political side of it ...we here in america bow down to every extreme nutcase group out there .



I loved this thread .
It didnt even get out of hand which is good .
Now bring on your cute little pig lol!
BTW the one saying that about us in hiding
We are all over at the ocmb and its hard to hide such a great board as it is .We deal with all fetishes over there and get along fine . I like insect crush and I don't hide or feel guilty about it .
We members support our board over there ..they care enough to make it a self supporting board unlike most .
In most cases a crush fetish or trample fetish is looked upon as a bunch of perverted freaks . Yea like it or not most judge trample to the same extent as crush for like alot of you here you dont understand it ...think or judge it as you like but at the end of the day your just as fucked up as the next person with a fetish in most peoples eyes . You get off on seeing a women standing on a guy lol and yet you find the crush fetish sick .
Of all the people I talk to about any of the fetishes they all usually react the same ...What a bunch of stupid perverts . Anyone who could get off on a women standing on a man is ignorant ...Needs help ...sick in the head ...but in all fairness they say the same about crush ..or anything the least unusual to them . So I am used to all these replies about how sick crush is and like you have heard the same old arguements so it dont bother me any but shows alot about certain people :) You will say the same about crush too .

[thound]

Originally posted by Jwoody
I really loved the fact you brought up Bill Clinton in a thread dealing with morals ROFL I bet you voted for that moral bastard as well .....Yea he lead the moral example . Anybody would have signed it just for the political side of it ...we here in america bow down to every extreme nutcase group out there .




Last time I checked, he wasn't pounding his pud while watching Monica Lewinski crush Buddy The Dog underfoot.




You totally missed the whole point on it anyway lol


What point?

[John]

HAHAHAHAHA....the TOTAL incapacity to comprehend the SIMPLEST forms of logic crack me up...

I brought up Bill Clinton (among others) to refute your claim that animal crush laws were imposed because someone was being paid off. Now you say anyone would have signed it for political reasons. So which is it? Was it political reasons or was someone (almost everyone in the Congress and the President) paid off?

Or is it JUST possible that MOST people think torturing helpless animals to death for sexual pleasure is something that should be against the law? No, it couldn't be that, could it? You are saying that the people that DON'T want to see animals crushed are the extreme nutcase group? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA..

Hello, reality has left the building....

See how you grasp at straws? Talk about ANYTHING except the issue...your feeling that it is okay to watch helpless animals get tortured to death to better your orgasm experience...

P.S. Bill Clinton is an idiot and should have been impeached.

[Jwoody]

I brought up Bill Clinton (among others) to refute your claim that animal crush laws were imposed because someone was being paid off. Now you say anyone would have signed it for political reasons. So which is it? Was it political reasons or was someone (almost everyone in the Congress and the President) paid off?
No but i love your example of a man who couldnt have been in it for money .

HAHAHAHAHA....the TOTAL incapacity to comprehend the SIMPLEST forms of logic crack me up...
I was thinking the same about you .

HAHAHAHAHA....the TOTAL incapacity to comprehend the SIMPLEST forms of logic crack me up...
Again you seem to not be able to keep up with an example verse what was being said .

Last time I checked, he wasn't pounding his pud while watching Monica Lewinski crush Buddy The Dog underfoot.
No he wasnt he was just pounding her while his wife wasnt looking lol ..but I bet if he was bored with staight sex he would have had her to do it lol..again I dont like animal crush just insect .When I was making examples of the cats and such I was just giving examples of cruel things that exscape morals by people like you who think they have better ones and as you have showed think that because others dont agree with you that they are stupid lol really interesting to read all this .

[thound]

Originally posted by John


P.S. Bill Clinton is an idiot and should have been impeached.

I say we form an exploratory committee and run the chairman of PETA for president in 2004!

Now is the time for all good extreme nutcases to come to the aid of their party!

[Jwoody]

Keep posting man ..you really help your cause ;)

[John]

Originally posted by Jwoody
snip absolutely everything because it made no sense whatsoever


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[thound]

Originally posted by Jwoody
Keep posting man ..you really help your cause ;)


This from a person who obviously picked up his wit at the same place he picked up his grammar and syntax skills?

[John]

CNN has just released transcripts of the secret "Animal Crush Payoff" conspiracy...

Al Gore : Bill, I invented animals. And I invented crushing. Therefore I believe it's wrong for these people to crush animals. What can we do about it?

Bill Clinton : Well, the typical U.S. taxpayer justs LOVES to see animals get tortured to death underneath the heels of women (and sometimes men dressed as women). I don't think we can do anything about it unless some huge organization with tons of money pays me and everyone in Congress off with giant loads of cash.

Al Gore : Well, Bill....as you know, I invented money....and as the inventor of money I can guarantee you unlimited wealth if you can only forget that HUGE class of people that love to see helpless animals tortured to death while they yank their dick to it, and instead favor that LUNATIC NUTCASE FRINGE of people that don't like to see animals crushed to death.

Bill Clinton : Its a tough call. I will need at least one trillion dollars to bypass those wonderful animal crushers.

Al Gore : SOLD! Let me invent banks real quick and I'll make sure those EXTREME NUTS that don't want to see helpless animals crushed to death pay up...

This has been a CNN exclusive - Stand by for more possible late breaking developments in the payoff scandal that has rocked the world...

[Jwoody]

Stand by for more possible late breaking developments
Ok again I have said I dont support animal crush !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But yes you make fun of something that was a fact as Ted was the leading man to get that bill passed . Nobody was even talking about the vid they found ...nobody cared ...maybe your problem is even with a bill passed and groups that go nuts over the mere milking of a cow ....the majority of people still don't lol But I do think its good if any of the organizations actually help a puppy or cat from being hurt by crazy people ...but I assure you I am not in that class of people .

[Jwoody]

Its funny how the mere crushing of a bug was said to make one member here sick or objects . I found that really funny .
All you have to say is "Talking of pigs", I noticed that one works as a moderator for this board.
Now I really understand all the pics of the dancing pigs lol


:D You look really intelligent in that position

Just take a good look at this !!!!!!!!!!

[John]

Hey, who do you think TOOK that picture? :D

http://www.mistressdestiny.com/pig.gif

[Jwoody]

John, why don't you upload your picture for a change, I am sure it will have a stronger effect than that of a pig":D

[thound]

Originally posted by Jwoody
Its funny how the mere crushing of a bug was said to make one member here sick or objects . I found that really funny .
All you have to say is "Talking of pigs", I noticed that one works as a moderator for this board.
Now I really understand all the pics of the dancing pigs lol


:D You look really intelligent in that position

Just take a good look at this !!!!!!!!!!

Sheesh!

Took you that long to come up with THAT comeback?

Quick John! Call Guinness! We have Einstein's successor in our midsts! Dorothy Parker is rolling around in her grave at the sight of such satirical witticism!

Yep, getting trampled by two incredibly beautiful women... I'm nothing but a dumbass alright :rolleyes: I've been trampled 200+ times by the likes of Destiny, so who's really the idiot here?

Do us all a favor will you? When you finally say something with a bit of intelligence, wake us up.

[Jwoody]

"judging by your appearance, I would probably say that you are the idiot here.They say that looks can be deceiving, but in your case I somehow doubt it. You have been trampled by 200 women, big deal. I am not into trample, so that figure means nothing to me. I guess you used that to signify your intelligence, however you do look like a pig, and I can't take that away from you."


By the way that was your come back ????????
Dam maybe you should just post the dancing pig instead ?

[jump]

@Jwoody

I am not into trample

then please find another place - here we are into trample.

I´m so sick of reading all your LOL´s and HAHA´s - don´t you have any good arguements at all. You are patehetic to read here. Try to raise the level of arguements here or get the guys that really have their words in their mouths here - you do a awfull bad job for the supporters for anminmal crush here - you have the arguments of a 16 year old guy that just eventet something new and special.

Please show us some qualified arguements - not just your amateur point of views - that kills this debatte.

jump

[John]

Yeah, well you're ugly!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

This gets funnier by the page....

[thound]

Originally posted by Jwoody
"judging by your appearance, I would probably say that you are the idiot here.They say that looks can be deceiving, but in your case I somehow doubt it. You have been trampled by 200 women, big deal. I am not into trample, so that figure means nothing to me. I guess you used that to signify your intelligence, however you do look like a pig, and I can't take that away from you."


By the way that was your come back ????????
Dam maybe you should just post the dancing pig instead ?


Ouch... you really got me there! How am I to continue?

Sob! :cry:

Hey, you forget to mention that I was bald too!

Since you have been thoroughly trounced by both logic and fact, I can relate to your need to start trying to "insult" others. Nothing like a final act of desperation before slipping off into that rocky abyss of abject stupidity, huh?

If you're trying to insult me, it won't work. I've been slammed by the best, and that includes me. Your efforts would be better served by studying say... "Hooked On Phonics"

Your continued unintelligble ranting, only proves that Darwin was correct, and that you cannot form a cognizant thought.


Once again, let's hear the justification in support of those who enjoy seeing animals tortured and killed for sexual gratification.

Let's see from your hands, why you think that particular act is good and just and ok.

Follow closely now... NO ONE is asking you whether YOU do it, but rather why you THINK it's ok and whether you think that anyone should just be able to do whatever the hell they want, simply because they have a fetish?

( Hurry up, because I believe the necrophiliac's are waiting for your approval )

Can you follow that? Or are we going to get more inane woodyspeak?

I'm guessing you can't come close to offering any sort of intelligent argument, and that we'll get the already vanquished "mousetraps and poisons" position

If that is the case, please spare us the witless retort.

[DaremoAlpha]

Hey Stryder I will make sure to say hello the next time your on aim looking to download from me hhehe

Jump if your going to argue with people and talk about levels of anything what say we start with your grade 3 spelling shall we...

John, I am into hardcore crush as I have said but I don't jack off to it anymore than I do to trample. I enjoy the kill and thats all there is there. Now you guys brought up about how it turns people into killers if they abused animals and after reading the article you posted for me I can say that for sure there are some people that really do lose it, you have made a fair point there and I will not try to belittle it but again I ask Thound how big was the study he read from, now if I get no reply to that I must believe he has no clue and only grabbed the first bit of information possible but did not take the time to finish it. The canada/USA thing still stands that you guys are whacked out compared to us just by the numbers and nobody can defend that so you go and try to play against it fine thats your game... big deal

Since being a crush fetishist I guess you all better lock up your kids because hey I may turn into some type of freak and do crap that would make Hitler jealous, yea right... everyday I get up and go to work just like you do, I do my 8 hours and come home to my family. Hey us monsters can have families too right?

Oh and john just for a laugh now and nothing more...

Coke rules over the crap Pepsi anyday :kissbutt:

[DaremoAlpha]

hey just to throw a bone here...

How likes High Heeled Hiedi's site???? Great trample and wonderful camera work eh?


































Anybody want her mouse crushing clips??? Yea she did it too.:2guns:

[Tramplemenc]

Jeezzzz....The only good mouse is a dead mouse.:devil:

[BootWorshipper]

Originally posted by DaremoAlpha
Jump if your going to argue with people and talk about levels of anything what say we start with your grade 3 spelling shall we...


As much as it may shock you, English isn't the only language in the world. Also, The United States isn't the only country in the world as so many dumb asses living here think. Anyone who knows anything about trampling could tell you that most of the trample parties happen in Europe. There are many people on these boards from Europe. English is one of the hardest languages to learn due to the fact rules are so flexible.
You apparently had the advantage of living in this country all of your life unlike many of us. These boards aren't graded pieces of homework to be checked by professors of English ,so please don't act like an asshole just because people are not as skilled in the writing of this language as you are.

Jwoody,
You have expressed your opinions to the rest of us and there is no need to start a ridiculous name calling rant on this board. If people disagree with you or even simply disrespect your opinion, you do not need to continue pushing your thoughts. Why don't you be the bigger man and just stop?

Jump,
Those are good points. They show he is immature enough to not simply quit despite it being the right thing to do. Unfortunately, people have trouble letting minor things go anymore.

John and Thound,
Guys I know the unacceptable amounts of disrespect and hate these people have shown you. If this gets too out of hand please just lock or remove this thread. Nothing productive is being accomplished because people simply can't see that their opinion can be different than that of someone else. Until they obtain an intelligence quotient equal to at least a large stone, I see them saying nothing constructive.

Everyone, this doesn't have to be out of control. It is an issue that everyone has varying opinions for. Remember, we were originally trying to have a discussion over something that sneaks into the trampling community occaisionally. Just state your facts and let others do the same. Try to learn to respect others instead of resorting to flaming this thread.
Thank you

[Peter42y]

But I acknowledge I enjoy watching mice being..,squished barefoot.
:rolleyes:
Well...;
Millions of mice all over the world are poisoned . So what is the problem of a couple of more mice being squished underfoot.
Many might not agree with me.., ;
In Portugal, as well as in Spain , and the South of France bullfights are legal.
In these bullfights bulls suffer.
So far no one did outlaw them,
Therefore.., I do not feel too guilthy by enjoying to watch mice being squished.

[DaremoAlpha]

Yea english is hard but it is not impoosible and with the number of people I chat with day to day from all over the world I have come to the conclusion that when they just stop and look at what they typed out they reconize and correct themselves. Jump has mentioned peoples levels and his is not so high as to being able to compare with the group until he puts up the effort i am sure he does when he wants too.

John and I may be somewhat beating a dead horse but it is not aggressive and needs not be.

Thound, I am waiting from more information from patiently and I am sure he will not let me down with it. At least I hope not.

And as for you Bootworshipper, I do not know you and here you are calling me an asshole?? Would you like this to get to the silly namecalling you are trying to say is futile? Great way to do it there, shows the respect you would like to recieve.

Now tell me how you feel you should get any respect before kissing the mods ass anymore about closing the thread.
Quit your whining...

By the way nice to meet you too :kissbutt:

[BootWorshipper]

Precisely, Why would I want to be respected by you or care what you think? I did act a little harshly before but that was mainly directed at Jwoody... Where was the kissing the moderators' asses? I thought I stated nicely that I was sick of hearing people starting flame wars over the subject which is basically all this thread is. OK, sorry I whined about preventing people from insulting others, and stopping them from continuing something that is pointless. Once again, someone has proven me wrong! You are clearly far more intelligent them myself, the moderators of this board, and those who still have trouble understanding certain mechanical situations in the English language. There, I posted my last reply in this thread and am LETTING THIS POINTLESS, DEAD ISSUE GO. Try it yourself one day.

[ice water]

I Think Stryder is dumb. He think he can judge people. Why don't you go to the mall and lay on the flood and ask people to stand on you.. I bet you get lock up. and it won't be jail.

I think your a stupit person. How can you put down a person fetish. you said people get off on seeing a mouse crush. Well you get off on a man or woman crushing you

[Luvsandals]

Originally posted by BootWorshipper

Everyone, this doesn't have to be out of control. It is an issue that everyone has varying opinions for. Remember, we were originally trying to have a discussion over something that sneaks into the trampling community occaisionally. Just state your facts and let others do the same. Try to learn to respect others instead of resorting to flaming this thread.
Thank you

BootWorshipper.....the first nonemotional thing that has been said here!!! I argee with you on this part completely! Thank you for posting it!!!
This is a very emotional issue for everyone, and both sides yelling at each other and calling the other side names will solve nothing!!

Opinions are like assholes......everyone has one and they always think theirs smells better than anyone elses!!!

Lets stop the arguing and get back to worshipping the sexy feet of the wondeful ladies out there!!!!!

[Freud N]

This crush fetish makes us out casts in the eyes of many. Maybe if we all loved farming instead.

You know, live the simple life.

We could go about our lives without a care in the world. Sew the crops, spray them with pesticides (we may risk poisening the water, at least its legal), feed the cow, feed the chickens....clean out the battery cages, remove a few of the dead chickens that died in there over night, again. Check on the pigs, that are always pinned down and always will be until they die, to make sure its still weining the cute little piglets that in a few years will be slaughered because researching dermatological meat to achieve effective, usable results is to much bother.

And at the end of a hard day, as we sit down to enjoy the meat from a lamb that managed to survive the journey from france, we can bask in the moral high granted by the fact we have done nothing wrong.

Freud

[ice water]

this is my last post on this. I think you people should look in the mirror. Ask you self am I' normal. High Heel Heidi has crush pic of animals. and everyone worship their pic's, Chloe Creations has them to and you all still support them. I don't see any thing wrong with it.

Stryder said it sick to get off on it. Some people thing it sick what you and your wife do!!!!

Everyone fetish is different. Anaconda once had great trampling videos. Now they have Piss, Shit and Spit on you videos. Some people might find that sick. when you view some of the mistress web site you find a whole list of things. that you might not be into. REMEBER SOME PEOPLE MIGHT CALL YOU ALL SICK FREAKS


I had to come back and re edit my post. If you people saw a homeless dog or cat on the street. you woulds't look their way

[The Penguin]

Stryder why is this funny eh? cause it got me laughing read the last bit after animinals

They forget we are talking about their propensity to grab their weenies for kicks watching something die...stick the weeny under the same feet killing the animals or better still they should stick their heads into the nearest shrink.

I did laugh at that bit

I just am amazed at the lenghts that you "animinal crush" guys will go to to justify your thing so its ok to kill mice and bugs by having a "girl" crush them under her feet/shoes/boots because pest control cos poision them set traps etc bull fights /cock fights dog fights fox hunts bear baiting blah blah blah how about wale hunts eh
In my book they are not ok to do and in most countries these if I'm not mistaken are outlawed but even if they are not that doesn't mean that its ok it just means its legal because the laws haven't caught up to them or traditionists are fighting to keep them legal.
so I bash a mouses head in cause it keeps getting into my house makes it ok for you to jack off to a mouse getting squashed by a woman?

Using that logic then it would be ok for me jack off over a news story about a dog getting run over by a car or what ever.

I understand your desire to see crushing but I don't understand your desire to jerkoff over seeing an animal getting crushed
I also don't understand guys desire to be shit/pissed on or beaten but thats their choice AND IT DOESN"T INVOLVE A THIRD PARTY BEING USED AS A "body double"

I think "animal crush" (i don't worry about bugs) is in or near the same catagory as phedopheilla. Why? they use similar logic to justify their "needs" and are just as illogical and stubborn as fans of "animal crush"
Bring od another pig John!

And another thing ice watewr JUst because some site features "crush" it doesn't legitimise it thats a big pile of crap

pedofillias would say the same thing about their "thing " too that doesn't make it right does it?

Do sites telling you how to grow weed make it legal ir right?
What about sites that tell you how to make a bo mb does that make it legal?

No it does'nt does it

ONe last thing NSA is watching and listening don't know what or who NSA is? National security Agency

[thound]

Originally posted by DaremoAlpha

Thound, I am waiting from more information from patiently and I am sure he will not let me down with it. At least I hope not.




A 1997 study by the MSPA and Northeastern University found that 70% of animal abusers had committed at least one other criminal offense and almost 40% had committed violent crimes against people.

* A 1986 by Tingle et al. study reported that 48% of convicted rapists and 30% of convicted child molesters admitted perpetrating acts of animal cruelty in their childhood or adolescence.

* A history of animal abuse was found in 25% of aggressive male criminals, 30% of convicted child molesters, 36% of those who assaulted women and 46% of those convicted of sexual homicide (Petrovoski, 1997).

* The Buffalo, NY police department and the SPCA of Erie County found that one third of the residences with animal abuse complaints in 1998 also had domestic violence complaints.

* A 1983 survey conducted by Devinne, Dickered and Lockwood of 58 NJ families reported for child abuse found that in 83% of the families, at least one person had abused animals. In two thirds of these cases, the abusive parent had injured or killed a pet and in one third of the cases, children were the animal abusers.

* The Childhood Cruelty Toward Animals Among Criminals and Noncriminals study has found that 25% of aggressive criminals confessed to five or more acts of childhood animal torture.

The Behavioral Science Unit within the Federal Bureau of Investigations and the US National Center for Analysis of Violent Crime has determined that animal abuse is prominently displayed in the histories of victims of child abuse and people who are habitually violent.

According to FBI profilers, the American Psychiatric Association, law enforcement officials, and child advocacy organizations, people who hurt animals are likely to move on to even bigger "game"-their fellow humans. Cruelty to animals is considered one of three symptoms that predict the development of a psychopath.

Says Robert Ressler, founder of the FBI's behavioral sciences unit, "These are the kids who never learned it's wrong to poke out a puppy's eyes."


We won't rehash the detailed and undeniable link between animal abuse and serial killers.

Now again, the facts are there. People can continue to bury their head and ignore the unmistakable pattern and correlation, but no matter... History and fact do not lie.


I will give you credit, as you have stated straight out from the start, that you "love the kill" and have not made any excuses nor shied away from it.


You see nothing wrong with it, whereas I believe that getting sexual satisfaction and enjoyment out of seeing an animal's life ended, raises some very strong psychological issues regarding that individual

You and I can agree to stand on polar opposites of this issue.

Now perhaps you'd like to provide an argument, that lends itself towards the justification of the act of torture for sexual thrills?

[thound]

Originally posted by Freud N
This crush fetish makes us out casts in the eyes of many. Maybe if we all loved farming instead.

You know, live the simple life.

We could go about our lives without a care in the world. Sew the crops, spray them with pesticides (we may risk poisening the water, at least its legal), feed the cow, feed the chickens....clean out the battery cages, remove a few of the dead chickens that died in there over night, again. Check on the pigs, that are always pinned down and always will be until they die, to make sure its still weining the cute little piglets that in a few years will be slaughered because researching dermatological meat to achieve effective, usable results is to much bother.

And at the end of a hard day, as we sit down to enjoy the meat from a lamb that managed to survive the journey from france, we can bask in the moral high granted by the fact we have done nothing wrong.

Freud


Nice speech.

Too bad it has absolutely NOTHING to do with the act of killing animals for sexual gratification.

[broken]

I love softcore crushing

and i love hardcore trampling

Broken

And there are many others who like it both !!!

:2guns: :kissbutt: :machine:

[footsniffa]

heLp me..... i can't stop repLying to this thread!!!!!

[ft lickah]

I just would like to say that Jwoody is the most disgusting person I've seen in a while, you aren't a human being

[Freud N]

Nice speech.

Thanks

Too bad it has absolutely NOTHING to do with the act of killing animals for sexual gratification.


I thought the reasoning behind that post would be clear. I didn't want to chew over the issues already discussed just to introduce my Nice speech

I was merely trying to highlight a generally accepted form of cruelty in order to contrast it against the crush fetish with the hope that the few open minded here(which is not meant as a personal attack) would realise that to bring our fetish under scrutiny, one would also have to consider the rest of humanity before passing judgment.

I agree with you on the issue of the morality behind it, but then what is right and what is wrong in this world anyway. We can't help the way that we feel. To discuss that point briefly, one that my good friend Laputangina wrote about in great depth much earlier on in the discussion. The vast majority of people couldn't careless(although find it odd) whether a bugs gets stepped on for sexual gratification or not. That, of course is not the case with animals used as pets, mice, cats, dogs, etc. So you can conclude that it is wrong to kill an life form that is loved or cherished....which means, what is right and what is wrong is a matter of opinion.

For the sake of needlessly arguing my opinion later on, I'm not justifying animal cruelty. I believe it to be wrong, in all its forms. But I also have a crush fetish. As my personal conflicts aren't the issue here, i won't discuse them any further

Freud

[Stryder]

IDIOTS AND LIARS
DaremoAlpha...there is only one thing worse than a person who does not know what he or she is talking about and cannot construct a logical argument and that is someone who is also a liar. I dont know you and have never downloaded any material from your sites (I dont even know what your sites are)...If you think I have downloaded such material as this thread relates to then show us all the evidence otherwise cut the bullshit and lies and the attempts to discredit your betters. If you are waiting to say hi to me next time I am downloading something from you then I hope your are holding your breath......perhaps someone might video that and post it for us to watch as you go blue.

Ice Water learn to spell before you come here annoying people with higher IQs. I am sure there are people out there who dont like what I do and dont like Helen trampling me.....but there are at least 150,000 viewers that do...and I get my kicks from worshipping at the feet of attractive human adult women. When you have sex for the first time I hope it is not near the girls mum as farm animals are protective of their young.

I also have a wonderful straight sex life in the true sexual sense (which I am sure you have yet to experience unless she happens to be four legged and dying)...Go away little person and vex us not....take DaremoAlpha with you and go and have sex with road kill. I will not visit this thread again you grow tedious, boring and just plain dull and it is probably time that John killed this thread as dead as your last pin up tortured animal.

[footsniffa]

hmmm.... i know what i'm taLking about.

- stryder is a communist
- on stryder's driver's License, he Lists his height as 6', when he's onLy 5'11"
- he once fed his tabLe scraps to the dog, so he couLd cLaim he finished his meaL and move on to desert.
- when he was 12, he pushed his sister down the stairs and bLamed it on the dog.
- severaL times stryder Lied to his grade schooL teachers as to the whereabouts of his homework.
- he has watched a few hours of PBS, and has never donated money.
- his recycLing bin is not properLy sorted by pLatic 1, pLastic 2, and paper.



ooooh this is aLL just the tip of the iceberg... shouLd i go on about the "caLifornia cheeseburger" incident?



this is my new favoritest thread ever!!!

[DaremoAlpha]

First off Thound-- Thank you for the list there like I said I knew you would not let me down with that stuff.
I wonder how long till Chloe(in the past called Di) and Hiedi become vicious murderers since everything says the person doing the killing is the one that MAY become a criminal.

As for the sexual aspect of Crush, I would say it is very similar to trample, in that it showcases a womans power over the victem.

if a woman walked up to a small creature be it a mouse or a worm and stated loud enough for you to hear " I can going to crush this" somebody would get excited. Same I know would go if a hot girl walked up to a guy on the street and told him to hit the ground because she was gonna walk all over him. Both would an adrenillin high for some people and for others it may just be an amusement and for even more still either act would be considered sick and twisted.

Again Thound thanks for the time you took for that list.

[footsniffa]

jesus h. christ... shut up, shut up, shut up!!!! dare, your arguement makes no sense whatsoever... how many different ways can you attempt to justify animaL crush? i get aroused by murdering peopLe, but since it excites me sexuaLLy, it's ok to do that. of course, some peopLe might Look at that heinous act as amusing, and others sick and twisted. but, everyone shouLd not be judgementaL of my murderous ways... afteraLL, my kiLLing peopLe is comparabLe to trampLe, since they both achieve the same resuLt: sexuaL gratification. so what's reaLLy important in this, is my penis.


i personaLLy think the whoLe "animaL crush" is wrong, but at the same time, i pLace it at roughLy 298 of issues i care about, or that troubLe me... i honestLy couLd probLy care Less as weLL if you buy a Litter of puppies and kiLL them aLL, but just admit that what you're doing is wrong. stand up and be proud. don't be wishy-washy. if this is what you're into, don't hodge-podge. don't try to compare. don't try to bring "trampLe" down to the LeveL of animaL crush, and don't try to eLevate animaL crush to the moraL equivaLent of trampLe.

[jump]

DaremoAlpha wrote:
Jump has mentioned peoples levels and his is not so high as to being able to compare with the group until he puts up the effort i am sure he does when he wants too.

I mentiont the level of arguments not the level of people, what is something completly different as you might know.

Yes I know my english could be better, I know. But as you might know, arguments validation is not depending on the spelling.

Then you came up with this:

First off Thound-- Thank you for the list there like I said I knew you would not let me down with that stuff.
I wonder how long till Chloe(in the past called Di) and Hiedi become vicious murderers since everything says the person doing the killing is the one that MAY become a criminal.

Reading and specially the understanding of facts are not always easy as you show us here. You are simply jumping to personal estimated conclussions based on information that does not contains information that schould lead to your conclussions.

You might spell correct, you might being abble to read this discussion, still you have to prove that you really understand the arguments and documentations.

jump

[Stryder]

NO FAIR
footsniffa

:D :D :D
You must have been spying on me!!!! How did you know so much about me or gather so much real information mate? :D LOL . I came back to the thread just to see your post and it made me happy thanks mate.

[daddyfun58]

hmmmm.
No where on this board will you find any kind of animal crush.
This board is set up for TRAMPLE of males by women..
Get off the animal/bug things.
Us men are consenting adults.we all want Womwn to trample us..
Please knock it off about any kind of animal crush.
I will delete any more posts about that subject.Heaven knows,we/I don`t need PETA after us/me.
Daddo

[DaremoAlpha]

Very well Daddo, you have my respects as i have known of you for a long time now. I will back out of this one simply because of name brand knowledge. Take care....

[turbs]

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