Legal or not?

[martinmartin]

hello, just wanted to check if viewing bdsm,trample etc is legal?

I read in the paper that viewing 'extreme pornograpghy' can now lead to up to 5 years in prison? So should i stop coming on this forum, or is this considered acceptable?

Im from the Uk by the way, just wanted to clear it up? Whats everyones views on this?

Regards, Martin

[scotdenell]

You need to check your local laws.

It usually becomes a problem when a guy goes off, and starts stalking women, and then the police go to his home and conficates his computer, and then that's when the laws REALLY kick in.

If you are worried, use some program like www.ghostsurf.com

You should be OK,,,,,there are other programs also:whip:

[Strict Susan]

The law, which I believe has not yet been passed, will say that possession of pictures of "extreme sexual violence" is illegal - and it's 3 years maximum sentence, not 5. This ALREADY applies in the UK for other material such as films and other pictures, it's just being extended to the Internet.

There is, as yet, no definition of what is "extreme", and my guess is that there won't be until there is a "test case". I would also guess that the police and the crown prosecution service are going to be extremely reluctant to bring a case unless it's absolutely clear cut AND involving "real" pictures of sexual violence with one or more unwilling participants AND where real mutilation or death either happens or is likely to happen because of the sort of acts in the pictures.

As for not coming on here - well,I've not seen anything on here that I would have thought comes into the category likely to be covered by the new rules, although certainly there are some web sites that might fall into that area.

[thelantern]

Distributing "material featuring violence that is, or appears to be, life-threatening or is likely to result in serious and disabling injury" is already outlawed, what they're trying to do now is outlaw possession of such material. So basically, if you avoided it before because you thought it might be illegal, avoid it now.

[danbrusca]

I have never seen any material on this website that would get someone into trouble with regards the proposed legislation. It really covers a very small subset of BDSM material.

[danbrusca]

The law, which I believe has not yet been passed, will say that possession of pictures of "extreme sexual violence" is illegal - and it's 3 years maximum sentence, not 5. This ALREADY applies in the UK for other material such as films and other pictures, it's just being extended to the Internet.

Not quite correct. Possession of the material in question isn't an offence at present, but distribution is under the Obscene Publications Act.

The new legislation isn't Internet-specific. It will apply to pornographic imagery both on and offline.

[martinmartin]

Thanks for the replies, i may consider trying to put any fetish out of my life just to make sure.

[whitenknight]

Hi I'm also in the UK and wondered how this law will affect femdom.

I heard on the radio that it will include 'sexual torture'.

I guess this is a part of femdom, but normally concenting adults are involved.

Who knows when and if the legislation will be passed, but I think the UK Courts need to have a serious think about it first.

If it starts with the Internet, what next? So many fetishes are closely related to femdom and 'sexual torture' e.g. spanking, bondage, leather, rubber etc.

At present these fetishes are even accepted by the wider 'vanilla' audience. Once it starts affecting them there will be uproar and civil liberties will be at stake.

So, my message to the UK Government is this, like it or not femdom and sexual torture has a very strong undertone in our culture dating right back to Victorian times. Your petition to ban this sort of thing numbers 50,000. I bet our femdom community numbers more than 500,000. Who is in the minority, you or us?

[Ste Letto]

Some thoughts -

It seems to me that the "spirit" of this law is that it refers to material where women/children and animals are the victims of the abuse depicted.

I don't think material where men are the victims will even be involved.

The jails in the UK are already overflowing.

Only "extreme" material will actually be penalised, not stuff from legally operated websites/producers etc. Woman Worship and Cruella will be fine.

Most "dangerous" will be amateur stuff. I think this will be most rigorously watched. Even then it will have to look genuine i.e, someone being abused against their will.

[thelantern]

Some thoughts -

It seems to me that the "spirit" of this law is that it refers to material where women/children and animals are the victims of the abuse depicted.

I don't think material where men are the victims will even be involved.

The jails in the UK are already overflowing.

Only "extreme" material will actually be penalised, not stuff from legally operated websites/producers etc. Woman Worship and Cruella will be fine.

Most "dangerous" will be amateur stuff. I think this will be most rigorously watched. Even then it will have to look genuine i.e, someone being abused against their will.Ste Letto makes some good points. Basically, if it was illegal to distribute it beforehand, then it's illegal to possess it now--not that much has changed. It will not be illegal to be in possession of material from websites like Cruella, Woman Worship, Ballbustingworld, because it is already perfecly legal for them to distribute their material.

[submissive_male4u]

You can also find relevant information on Femdom Laws and Politics at http://www.femdomale.com/femdom-laws-politics.html

[clonevs]

Sounds like yet another reason for us citizens of the United States need to pull the reigns in on our current govt./administration.
All bashing aside, the scale tips more towards an Orwell novel every day.

[danbrusca]

Again, it's important to stress that the proposed legislation is aimed at "material featuring violence that is, or appears to be, life-threatening or is likely to result in serious and disabling injury".

There's a lot of misinformation out there now and people are getting the wrong idea and thinking that looking at anything kinky is illegal. This is not the case. Hell, it's not even law yet, just a proposal.

[ooglyboogly]

I dont think the legal issues that were highlighted on the news are that closely related to the kind of femdom that we enjoy on this board.

It was mainly about the fact that this poor woman was murdered by some sicko who was into really violent porn.

In the case of us guys its highly unlikely that this board is going to make a woman sneak into your house at night, kidnap you, sexually abuse you and then kill you

The laws are more to do with sexual violence directed towards women as they are far more likely to be victims of these kind of perverts.

[lildog]

i may consider trying to put any fetish out of my life just to make sure.

Thats what they want, my friend.