For Stryder and Helen

[Carlo31]

Hello Steve and Helen,
hope you are both well.
I really don't understand yet how we arrived to this point.
I did really mean not to come here anymore as I have found really unfair to attach me personally in a public place just because we have got some incomprehension between us.
I just got notice about the problem for the cock video just because I was e-mailed by Dave about your furious reaction in the board.
I never though I was doing any abuse to use the video you turned here with Helen as I have got your permission, both of your signatures on a regular contract and I have never received any personal request or e-mail from you in this direction.
If I know you did not want us to use those videos,no need to say that one e-mail to me was more than enough to avoid all this mess.
I try to understand exactly what happened between us to arrive to such level.
From my side I think I have changed completly my mood with you as soon as you started to criticise the way i work and my private life in a public place
Even if you think you are true that was really unfair because those things can cause a bad offence and that was what sparked my first nasty e-mail to you
I'm happy you now realize it was all a big misunderstanding and misjudgement and you're doing those comments out of concern.

The thing I won't apologize at all are those people that jumped on me like I was the worst person in this world.
Most of those are the same people that showed me their respect appreciation and gratitude personally by e-mail but that on here they were able to CHANGE THEIR FACES.
To those people I say goodbye once and for all and even if I'll miss a lot of nice guys on here (not to mention the italian section) I don't wanna share a place with them anymore
Critics are critics and always accepted till they are made in a civil way.
I have read too much bullshits about me about things I said or I did.
Is it a forum to share our fetish or a place to insults eachother ?
The answer to all of these ASSHOLE, PRICK,IDIOT,FALSE (yes you're not the only one, I can use those word as well) is our work.You like it, enjoy.You don't like it don't look at it or at least respect other people work and effort.
Because everything you can say about me but not that i don't give my best in what i do.
Just know that for every complainers or bullshitters like you there are 1000 people who appreciate us.
You think there is something to tell me, be man enough to contact me and solve it with me one to one, face to face.
Right Mike 19 or atyourfeet ?
You act like rabbits.You can yells till you want your bullshits.I'll answer you when you'll be able to explain it to me in a civil matter.

Steven and Helen sorry for the incomprehension with you and for me now everything is over and solved without any bad feeling

Last words for Rasta.
Lolo we did fight like mads in the last months isn'it ?
For my side the war is definetevly over now once and for all.
We have got a great experience together and an incredible part of our success was especially because of you.Out of any stress or any anger for the fights we pass through in this last big period i can appreciate more you as person.
We did a really good job in the past and even if now we have taken two different streets and we understood our deep big differences in our lifes and fetish I don't regret the time we have worked together and built such a place called Cucciolo's Page.
I wish you all the best for your life and who knows maybe we'll see eachother in the future out of trampling and out of everything we pass through just to share an evening together just like the first old times

I wish all of you guys the best on this board but please no more bullshits about me ok ? :)

p.s Mike 19 you especially ! :)

[The Penguin]

Well I just wanted to be the first to post a reply here
It looks like Carlo has a special place in his heart for you Mike19 as he singled you out specificaly. thats is very nice of him !

Forr my part I would like to say that I hope that we can move on and enjoy ourselves

it was entertaining in some way it also goes to show that pressure can be applied through a forum like this to achive something
good luck Carlo with your future endevors what ever they may be

[Footslave3000]

Well Carlo I have to say this. I respect you as a man. All I ask is that we go on in peace?
Hopefully you will come back and also for us to respect each other. I wish you well.

[mike19]

your such an ass....why would i bother emailing u?... if something is being discussed in a public forum then it becomes everyones business and thats where ill respond, plus i never said anything about u that isnt true, nor did anyone else. I'd take stryders word over yours anyday and so would 99% of the people here.
I clearly remember the days of irc and back then u had no problem at all trading passwords, so dont act like your high and mighty now.

[mike19]

your such an ass....why would i bother emailing u?... if something is being discussed in a public forum then it becomes everyones business and thats where ill respond, plus i never said anything about u that isnt true, nor did anyone else. I'd take stryders word over yours anyday and so would 99% of the people here.
I clearly remember the days of irc and back then u had no problem at all trading passwords, so dont act like your high and mighty now.
Penguin the day I care about what anyone from the net thinks of me, not to mention some french asshole, is the day pigs fly:)
But who cares, this topic has been resolved, it was interesting though:)

whoops didnt mean to double post

[mike19]

I suppose ill say something good about you, i have ordered from your site and got my videos pretty quickly. Although in one of them i think the camera work could have been much more steady overall i was pleased with them.
See arnt i nice?:D

[Stryder]

Thanks Carlo
We wish you well and wish things could have been different but I guess we are both very strong willed and fight for what we believe is right I am sorry it had to go public but you and I were just banging our heads together in private and not getting anywhere with the issue as we were both defending our ground but if you had only realised that the concerns we had originally were for someone we thought was a friend but if as you said you did not like me from the beginning it made it hard for you to hear anything from me without thinking it was criticism. Thank you for your nice words to Lolo it was terrible to see such upset between two people who were so different but still achieved a lot together.

Helens withdrawal of the consent for that video was only because of all the crap that went down and we put that here on the public forum just before you left so you may not have read it and therefore another misunderstanding developed and it was also in one of the emails after things went haywire with the attacks on each other. She is still very sad about the whole thing and actually looked at the whole thing objectively not like my wife but that is for her to now get over as well in her time and she still remains adamant about the videos with her in them.

Thats all you will hear from us unless time heals all the hurt and I hope the Stryder vids we did break the box office because I gave it my all and even Dave cant believe the action and what I went through and they should be in everyones collection regardless of whether they like you or not or like me or not.

[Carlo31]

Mike, first of all I'm very happy you did order a video from us and even more happy you enjoyed it.

For the first time I see a possibilty to have a normal and constructive conversation with you.It's so easy if we don't put any anger and we try to talk

I have got a lot of very hard slaps from you from a long time starting from the old daddo board till now.

Could we give to eachother a chance to speak us by trying something different talking to eachother ?
Don't get we wrong i do not pretend to please you or to change your opinion about me or our site as problably you don't pretend to change mine about you
But why not to try to be different and try at least to listen and understand eachother without any prejudice
Why we don't try to understand eachother and speak a little bit in a more constructive way for both ?
For example you told me a lot of times than you think i'm a dickhead and other bad things about me
Maybe you are right as my ego was too big to have the patience to listen and to answer your hard comments while proably it was the best thing i could do

From the other side probably you was offended by something i did to you in the past or that brough you to get your own personal opinion about me

For example about the password trading i admit that a couple of times at my real begin on internet i have got the chance to receive some offer to have some free psw.
Being human and crazy for my fetish at that time, i admit i couldn't resist to have a look what there was inside those sites

Just by being on the other side later i have really understood how wrong that was as i see on my skin how much efforts, money and energy you have to put to running a popoular site
and i understood how wrong it was

So when i have been hard discovering people trading password not only on my site but also to other sites i was always very rude to them just because i know what kind of damage you make by doing those illegal actions

About my own character and personality dear mike, i admit i am quit rude sometime.A sort of mr hide that exit when I feels in the right and attached in my deep inside
That's a part of the human nature, that year by year i try my best to change by being more reasonable and available to listen even if i feel hurted about something that i thiink it's not true

Now Mike the only thing i can give you my word at 100% is that from when i have started this job i never cheaten one only customer
Since i was a customers before to start my own site i know the feeling when you make an order.You can't wait the time till you receive it and i know how sometime you should be really impatience to see a video that fit exactly your tastes
That's why sometime i have spent full nights to copy our tapes to ship them as soon as possible because i know that it can be frustrating to wait big time before to get them
Unfortunately we depends from the post and sometime we can't avoid or do anything if the post deliver our orders later than we were expecting

About our videos and stuff.
I can guarantee you that i put all my efforts to make them as better then i can
That doesn't affect your freedom to give me some input, your suggestion advice if there is something we can do better I'm the first one to listen
We have thousands of customer and it's hard to make all people happy and sometime from a customer that told us he has
received the best video of his life there is another that say that the same video was really bad

Now i think i have talked too much but it was because i would like you sort out your real opinion and impression of the things you don't like of the way i run our site

That would be a surprise for both of us as i think if we try to talk without any wall between us we can discover we can both find a constructive way to talk even if we we think different that can be always a point of contact.After all we have the same fetish not ?
It's just a proposal mike.Let's try to give it a try without any prejudice.I'm will be happy to listen you and your critics
or suggestions if it's possible to keep them to a respectfull level
What do you think ? Let's give it a try ?

By the way,i remember also that you suggested me to take off our site our tv stuff.I think we are both appassionate of this stuff
and if we arrive to understand that we are not both as bad maybe i'll be the first one to send you a lot new scenes just for your club
There is always a way to change a bad feeling between 2 people
if we just try to be more reasonable and think positive...

Let's give it a try mike to end our fight ?
If it doesn't work at least we can say we did try , no ?

[Carlo31]

Thanks Steve, I admit and i agree with you that our strong character especially when we think we are in the right brough us to pass the limit
I have passed the limit by e-mail and maybe not giving you the a good hospitality you were expecting here
As Dave I think he told you and as you remember i told you also by phone i wanted to postpone our meeting since it was a very hard time for me in that period but from the other side i didn't want to let you down at the last minute
Maybe it was a big mistake and i regret i was not really hospital with you as i feared before the meeting with a bad fight with rasta exactly in those days
I didn't understand your friendly concern because when you
are putting all your efforts on something you should expect to be appreciated and not get critics.That's humane i think
But now finally everything is sorted out and even if i have not any bad feeling with you anymore i feel still hurted by the full story because was really not my intention to be hurted or to hurt you

About Rasta, i think he deserves a big thanks from 1 and half year unforgettable for both of us
It's not good to close in such a bad way so i hope the future will give us the chance to meet eachother to find at last for one evening the same feeling we have lost between us

Thanks again and wish all the best to both of you Steve and Helen

take care

Carlo

[MOBY]

Carlo.
I think that you will have to understand that you can give a real deep pain that is more painfull than a knife in the body by your emails, words or acts. I agree about the fact that it was a great experience but i only wish to close it asap. We know that we have just few things to close and everybody will do what they want. Just to show you how things that you do and that are not so important cause you still say that you are not a bad guy...
Think that for me the fight we had during this evening after the Annabelle session in july 2001 is like if it was yesterday. It will never desapeared from my mind and everything you can say, this is what it remain to me with thousand other things.
So to meet each other in the future , may be in 10 or more years.
Now the only meet that will be necessary will be the final stop of my collaboration with cucciolopage.
Rasta.

[mike19]

i suppose things could could get better. I dont like being negitive so much although it might seem that i do:)

[atyourfeet1]

Carlos,
I read your message, and I am glad about one thing only, that you finally admitted that you traded passwords. However with me you never traded...you only took! When you set up your site, I had reminded you of the time that you had borrowed my Stardeck9.com account and my IFON.com account. I asked you if you would lemme see your site with a temporary pass. I gave you my passwords because we were friends before you went pay.

Once you went pay and I asked you to return the favour you sent me an e-mail that expained to me how I am wrong to expect you to let me see your site because, in your words exactly, "If I give you a password, then I have to give everyone a password."

When I replied to that e-mail, I never heard back from you again!

Carlos, with what you did, I was the one who lost on that deal, it was me who paid for those two memberships...not you, but as a friend you used my account and still got to see them. And in the end, I did not expect a free lifetime membership, I just expected you to return the favour and you ignored me!

Even though you did not return the favour I still purchased a membership to your site!! To your credit, I was not disappointed and that is why I had renewed about 8 times. However, it pissed me off everytime we ever heard from you you were lecturing the world about stealing from you.

I never stole anything from you, but it pissed me off because you thought you were a saint.

I don't trade passwords anymore either. I buy the memberships for myself now and that's it.. And believe me over the last seven years I have bought memberships to many different sites, and to many of them I have been a repeat customer on more than one occasion. The difference between me and you is that I financially supported many sites that I liked over the last 7 years, where as you never did. You are only about taking.

Do I care what you have to say now? NO!
So all I have to say to a guy like you is good riddance!

There are alot of really good people here Carlos, and you are not one of them! You are not the same nice guy I considered a friend so long ago. As for me, I am the same guy. I did not change. The people here that are my friends also have not changed and that is why we are all still friends and everyone has turned against you.

So once again you weasel, good riddance, and don't let the door hit your ass on the way out!

atyourfeet1

[Carlo31]

Thomas,
also with you the same thing as with Mike
For the very first time you explained me in a civil way why you got so angry at me without insults or any other too bad words out of proportion.
That's the way to do and that's the way there is always a soluction for everything.

Would you mind to send me an e-mail ?

thanks

Carlo

[jump]

by setting higher ethic and moral standards to siteowners etc. - we are the ones that make them "Gods" ..... and if "God" fails, we are the first to fight them becaurse "God" must have an clean ass as a newborn baby :( ... and who cares if we smell shity ourselfes.

jump

[atyourfeet1]

To Carlos,

Actually I do mind to send you an e-mail because when this problem occurred between you and me I did send you a couple of e-mails. I was VERY civil in all of them and you never responded. And as for any other time I acted as civil as you did. So get off of your high horse.

At least here on the forum you respond.

Right now you want to come out of this smelling like a rose but I am not buying it. Anything you want to say to me you can say here or if you want YOU can send me an e-mail. You will find my e-mail address in my profile.

And I would appreciate it from now on if you do not use my real name in the open forum.

Atyourfeet1

[The Penguin]

Originally posted by mike19
your such an ass....why would i bother emailing u?... if something is being discussed in a public forum then it becomes everyones business and thats where ill respond, plus i never said anything about u that isnt true, nor did anyone else. I'd take stryders word over yours anyday and so would 99% of the people here.
I clearly remember the days of irc and back then u had no problem at all trading passwords, so dont act like your high and mighty now.
Penguin the day I care about what anyone from the net thinks of me, not to mention some french asshole, is the day pigs fly:)
But who cares, this topic has been resolved, it was interesting though:)

whoops didnt mean to double post

Mike 19 that was my sorry attempt at being sarcastic (I will endevor to be less subtle next time) I know you have yet to see pigs fly and that french and or Italian pig doesn't look like its going to get off the ground any time this century
:p
cheers;)

[Tabasco]

It's human nature to strive to live up to one's expectations.

If someone wishes to appologize for their transgressions, it is polite to show an element of grace and acknowledgement.

But as we all know, actions speak louder than words.

[mike19]

penguin that post wasnt for YOU, it was for cucciolo:)

[The Penguin]

I understand MIke 19 I was just funning a little:beer:

[emilianus]

I think it's very sad (and boredom too) to see 2 trample champions as Cucciolo and Stryder quarrelling here for a video.
Is this video worth at least? Boh!
Usually when 2 great artists meet each other, You expect great things, so it's a delusion for all trample fans a such end.
Cmon guys, erase and rewind the track!
Reboot all Your systems and begin a new deal. ;)

[emilianus]

by the way, eat this :)

[Stryder]

ALREADY SOLVED
Emelianus...thanks for your sensible words but the problem between us was solved over a week ago and all argument between us has ceased and the thread edited to reflect this so effectively the rewind and reboot has already happened. Any problem that may still seem to exist here is between others not Carlo and I.

[Backwalk]

I'm guessing, what...
Group hug at this point? :confused:
Unless something really drastic happens, I'll always be a supporter of Cucciolo. I've always liked his stuff.
I don't hate anybody. There are just too few of us to be divided into pro- and anti- somebody camps. (Mike Kelly being the exception...I just ADORE that dead possum toupee ;) (How's THAT for sarcasm!)).
Anyway, nice to see civilized conversation on this board after these spats.
BW