Explain this Pentagon Video

[beltranblows]

http://www.freedomunderground.org/memoryhole/pentagon.php#Main

[Deep Throat Diva]

I can't explain the edited video...but I can agree with your user name.

for 120 million..he sure does blow.

[person]

It makes good sense to me.

Basically, the point that the creator seems to be trying to make is that it wasn't a boeing 757 that hit the Pentagon. He supports this idea by showing that if a 757 had actually hit the building there would have been actual airplane parts around. Also, he's saying that the boeing wouldn't have left neat holes like that in the building. (it would have messed up the yard really bad too).

He goes on to point out that the plane which struck the pentagon pulled manuevers the supposed pilot wouldn't have been able to do, especially in a plane that large. Witnesses smelled cordite and thought they heard a missle hit. That's kind of relavent since a lot of the people in the area would have been military personnel and would actually know what a missile sounds like and what cordite is.

There was video evidence of what actually hit, but it was all confiscated, except for one tape which shows an object hitting which is much smaller than a Boeing 757.

[undrneath1]

well all this stuff sounds great except when you throw in the logic factor.

Let's just say for the sake of argument flightwhatever didn't hit the pentagon...so

1) where is the plane rumored to have flown in the pentagon? unless you suggesting the airplane never existed.

2) where are the inhabitants of that plane?( which included the wife of the Solicitor General) unless you're suggesting the govt invented a bunch of people on an imaginary flight manifest?

3) what would be the logic and reasoning behind why the government would fire a missile or fly one of it's own military aircraft at one of it's own buildings?

[person]

First of all, people like money. People will do just about anything if you pay them enough. In the past governments have used this principle to great advantage and have pulled off some far more outlandish stunts.

As far as where the people went, how about something like the witness protection program? Hide them and pay them to be quiet. Governments have done that kind of thing before as well.

As far as a reason to do this goes, there are a lot of them. For one, our government has wanted to raise hell in the Middle East for a while now, and an event like 9/11 would curry enough favor that the people would support that. Also, it's misdirection. 9/11, the Big Bad Thing, is going on here, to draw attention away from something else.

Now, what I think is probably more likely is that our government didn't do it. I think what is more likely to have happened is a foreign power did it and the government took advantage of the situation, and hid who really did it and why.

It's the panic principle. If they say on TV that we're being attacked by terrorists then people will be generally afraid, but won't get too riled because it's highly unlikely they'll be able to actually do much to our country as a whole. Now if they announced it was actually another country that would be different. It's a game of semantics.

[undrneath1]

For one, our government has wanted to raise hell in the Middle East for a while now, and an event like 9/11 would curry enough favor that the people would support that.

yes it would, which is my point. I'm thinking arabs flying two airplanes into the world trade centers with the huge loss of life that came with it would be sufficient cause to generate public support for some action in the middle east against terrorism.

don't ya think two planes hitting the world trade center would be enough?

Now if they announced it was actually another country that would be different. It's a game of semantics.

yes but they didn't announce another country had done it so...if they wanted all this support for starting a middle east war, wouldn't it have made more sense for them to open up all the evidence (if it existed) about how some foreign country had attacked us?

[murki]

“Person’s” post actually made me think!!! It’s true that there are other countries out there that might have benefited from those attacks. Even country that America considers as a “friend” and would (??) try to keep as a secret, if involved.
But I still have a problem with the concept that someone else is involved in this because Osama Bin Laden admitted to all of the attacks. Don’t you think it would have been beneficial for him to admit to some attacks and blame the rest for the so-called conspiracy theory? So because he didn’t do that then why anyone would even consider anything other than what the Govt said???
If a thief admits to all of the missing items then why blame that the cops took some?? Yeah, cops are usually the first at a crime scene, so, if a thief says he had two million dollars on him when caught but actually one million was recovered, we can easily blame the cops for the other one million. But in this case the accused admitted to everything without any outside pressure.
Killing innocent people is just plain wrong and in today’s world with video cameras and cell phone cameras and spy satellites --- I really don’t believe that the Govt can take a chance to cover up the truth. 20/30 years ago it might have been different. What if Russia or China came up with satellite images of something different???

[person]

You do you have a good point about Osama, but I want to point out two things here about him. For one, in the video where he admits to the attacks, he is wearing a gold watch and picks up some stuff with his right hand.

Osama is left handed, and wearing watches or jewelry is completely against the teachings of Islam.

Eitherway, it doesn't really matter who did it, the public has still been mislead. Evidence shows, and experts have stated as much, that it could not have been a Boeing 757 that hit the Pentagon, for multiple reasons. There was not enough wreckage, the cars on the highway were all fine, and the only air plane parts found are too small to have been parts for a 757, but they are the correct size for a Sky Warrior.

As for are the WTC attacks, might I add that those are the only buildings, of that kind of size, to ever collapse from a fire? Also, they found molten steel in the sub-basement a week after the attacks? Steel melts at over 2000 degrees F, and jet fuel burns closer to 1500 (I believe), so it could not have been jet fuel that did that. Jewt fuel does not even burn hot enough to melt titanium, which is what the plane was made of.

That doesn't mean it wasn't a plane, it just means that it wasn't just the plane. Something else exploded too. When firefighters went into the building they said it looked like every single floor had been bombed, like a controlled explosion. There are three different videos of the "collapse" taken by independant people which show explosion rings exactly like a controlled demolition. For weeks before the attacks different floors of the towers were evacuated at different times for "security" checks and to add new network wire for the building's computers. It's feasible that someone put bombs in the building itself.

There is much more to the attacks than militant kamakazi pilots hijacking planes and flying them into things. I think that much is blatantly apparent.


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Picture of a SkyWarrior: http://www.air-and-space.com/skywarrior/871208bl.jpg

[murki]

Originally quoted from: Person

“Osama is left handed, and wearing watches or jewelry is completely against the teachings of Islam.”


To this I would say that --- Killing innocent civilians (no matter how desperate you are) is against any religion. I’m more than sure it’s against the teaching of Islam as well. But, we all know he authorized such practice. So my question to you (Person) is that --- if he can break that simple teaching than why would we consider him to follow any other teachings?????
Secondly, if it wasn’t him in the tapes (like you suggested) then shouldn’t the real Osama come forward and point that out???? Why would he remain silent????
If someone uses your name or image and say something or admits to a crime, WOULDN’T you come forward and refute that??? I am sure you would. I definitely would. So, my question is “WHY HASN’T HE?????”
I am not republican and I DONOT agree the way the war has been handled. BUT I don’t want to believe in a conspiracy theory UNLESS there is real proof. I don’t believe there is any.
Thirdly, unless someone actually performs a test with a jet and a tall building, we will never know for sure if what happened can really happen. So what you said about temperature difference and melting points are just numbers. Many things can contribute to a blast. Generators can blow up and make it look like small blasts. Depending on what those buildings were made of and what they had on each floor, one might see different simultaneous blasts. What if they had some anti-terrorist system or deterrent device that malfunctioned in that immense heat??? I guess we might never know.
I believe what the Govt has said about the incident. I know there are countries that benefited by America going to war, because to them, America is doing their job. But it doesn’t mean that they are really involve and the cause of those attacks. It is most likely coincidental.