Danger question with larger Women

[Salmon]

I have experienced the wonderful delights of facesitting in the past, but with women who are less than 130lbs.

Now, if the woman is around 190lbs and sits full weight on your face - facing away from you, and then facing your feet - using a pillow under your head (and then without) in both cases, here are my two questions of basic safety:

1) Can she unintentionally crush your windpipe doing this?
2) Can she unitentionally break your nose?

Feedback would be appreciated, please!

[steve butler]

hi salmon,in my experience there are a few variables to consider,i have had a black girl of 176 pounds nearly smother me unconcious,her thighs were large and soft and sealed me in completely,wonderful! but i have also had a 278 pound woman do the same,her legs and butt were very firm,and it was nowhere near as nice,the crush was more intense,but there was no smother,not very nice at all,both ladies were sitting side saddle on me lying on a sofa which absorbed the weight a little. take care

[Faceseat]

Salmon, I dont know if you know this (being a new member and all) but, I had my face literally broken from being facesat last year. I was tied up and face bounced and sat on with full weight crushing my nose literally and damaging my face as well.
So the answer is YES. If a heavy enough sitter sits with full weight for a long enough time, they can not only crush your nose, but they can break your cheek bones or cave in your forehead as well.

[al-uk]

So the answer is YES. If a heavy enough sitter sits with full weight for a long enough time, they can not only crush your nose, but they can break your cheek bones or cave in your forehead as well

I'm sorry but I really do not agree with this. I've been sat on many times by really heavy girls.. including some expert wrestlers and have never had, or heard of a real life case, in which a girls bottom has caused serious damage to my or any other guys face.
In fact IMHO you are more likely to be damaged by a skinny bony bottom slamming into your face than a BBW bottom.. as usually its so well padded.

The main danger is smothering and its essential that your heavy sitter understands this.

I thought I'd add a couple of Dominique (fingertips, Manchester)facesitting me-- who is certainly in the 200lb range-and has sat and bounced on my face many times without any problem.

[Faceseat]

Al, you are entitled to your opinion, but, it is a fact that if a sitter sits in an awkward position, traping the persons nose in an abnormal way, it is certain that enough weight applied will break the persons nose. Trust me, it has happend to me and several others on this board. As for the cheekbones or forehead being crushed as well. Yes, it is true. If a sitter bounces and lands with enough weight directly onto a fragile area like a cheekbone, it can cause it to fracture.

[Salmon]

Hi steve butler, Faceseat and al-uk,

Many thanks for your informative answers to my enquiry. This is much appreciated.

steve butler - thank you for your views. So they were sitting sideways. That makes a difference, I would imagine

Faceseat - I was alarmed to read what has happened to you! This seems to be have been brought about by rough bouncing etc. I am taking your comments seriously

al-uk -thank you for your comments and delightful photos.

So, in my case, I have yet to experience it. I will be careful when the girl in question finally does it to me. We are going to have me lie on the floor with my head on pillows, and then on the hard floor itself. She will sit on my face wearing panties and stay on until I reach my limit, and repeat and repeat. There will be no bouncing, just sitting and waiting. Our idea is to see how long I can last each sit before I tap her to lift. I was just a bit worried she may accidentally crush my windpipe or break my nose doing it!

The only thing we want to break is my endurance record each sit!

[DU007]

With a heavy lady - the back of your head on a hard floor may be an issue...


...Her weight on your head on that hard floor would hurt...there'd be no 'give'....back of your head would take all the weight...

Be careful...

[al-uk]

Hi Salmon,
A cushion is certainly a good idea -- first pic shows Tanya using one under me -- or you could try is a pile of towels to get the correct height...(pic 2--charlotte)

I remember one very uncomfortable facesit I had under Dominique when we tried using a stacking chair.. it was very uncomfortable on my neck (pic3).

Often, however Ive found a carpet or mat perfectly comfortable for fullweight facesitting even with some very heavy girls...eg Eve, April, Charlotte ... (Ive also included pics of some lighter girls - Danielle & Claire --in fullweight mode)

...OK last two pics are on beds but I like 'em

Al, you are entitled to your opinion, but, it is a fact....
So I think my opinion is based on some experience-- ... worst I've had was a minor bust lip and that was from a small girl with a bony bum!! Perhaps I'm thick skulled ...

[mt123]

I haven't try 190,but I did try 140 ,I felt my nose nearly broken ,the face-feet style somehow is dangerous.

[Salmon]

Hi DownUnder007,

Thanks for your comments. This is an important point. At the beginning we will see how much weight I can take on the hard floor, although it is carpetted. We will graduate to that after a cushioned start.

[Salmon]

Hi al-uk,

Wow - that's a really good set of photos. You certainly have a lot of experience with different girls doing this! I will try the towels (good idea) and pillows or a cushion. I think the height of the face for sitting on is also an important point in this. Lying on the floor the girl has to squat down lower to sit, probably making it trickier for her. I was wondering about cushions because she must squash your head right into them as she settles her weight down. I like the forward and reverse photos here (I don't think at this stage we will do the chair - that's interesting!). How was your nose in the fourth and sixth photos? It's exactly like that that I want to be facesat.

[Salmon]

Hi mt123,

Can you give more details please. This is an issue that really concerns me and I take it very seriously.

[bcted]

From my own experience (limited, compared to some on these boards), the worst I've had is a bloody nose. My wife (my only actual experience with face sitting has been with my wife as we are in a committed monogamous relationship) is a bit heavy, over 250 lbs. I believe, but we've never had any serious problems. She generally chooses to sit facing my feet, and doesn't bounce at all. We also have only done it on the bed, usually with a pillow under my head.

I think you will be okay as long as you start out slow and get used to it, first. I know that when my wife chooses to smother me, she can easily seal my mouth and nose (all she has to do is shift backwards a little from her normal position).

Good luck and enjoy yourselves.

BC

[Salmon]

Hi bcted,

Thanks for your information. So this is done on the bed with you and your wife. How did you get a bloody nose? Did she bump by accident? How much weight does she apply? It is no doubt comfortable on the bed, but possible that it can bounce a little, whereas on the floor it would be stable.

[al-uk]

How was your nose in the fourth and sixth photos? It's exactly like that that I want to be facesat

Hi Salmon,
Re the 4th pic-- Charlotte had quite a large, fleshy bottom and my nose fitted easily between her cheeks and was very comfortable despite Charlotte weighing around 170lbs. Ive attached 2nd pic of Charlotte sitting below...

In the 6th pic Danielle was not quite so comfortable, even though Danielle was around 130lbs. However my nose fitted OK between her cheeks and I remember her holding that position for several minutes and not finding it particularly uncomfortable. She had a really nice rounded bottom and, although nominally a dominatrix, a really nice attitude. I've added a couple of pics of her (in pink) to show how nice her bottom was.

I certainly would not recommend the stacking chair (see another pic of Dominique sitting full weight)-- my neck hurt for some hours after this. (the reason I tried this position was to re-enact some of the namio pics- see last two) However when I repeated the position on the edge of a bed in a later session it was fine -- even when she sat sidesaddle-- which normally I find uncomfortable. In her case her bottom was so large and soft it was quite nice. Dominique's conventional facesits (ie in the forward or reverse position) were always excellent and I felt most of my face was between her cheeks, whereas for most girls its just my nose.


So in conclusion --my feeling is that as long as your nose is positioned between the cheeks it is unlikely to get broken.

In fact the only time i felt my nose in danger was when I was facesat full weight by a girl in tight jeans.... so I soon persuaded her to remove them and resume her seat..!

[Faceseat]

X-cellent posts Al. Thanks for the visuals. I agree about a heavier woman sitting having soft ass cheeks that actually take some of the pressure off of your face/nose. About someones nose actually breaking from being face sat? Well, I have had my face wedged in between ass cheeks as well, but, I have also had my nose directly under a 200 lb sitters ass cheek before and , trust me, a mere second is all it takes for the nose to snap and squash down into a bloody pancake.

[steve butler]

another of my favourite positions is to rest my head on a hard chair,you have a great view out from under the sitters thighs,but the crush can be intense,i have nearly blacked out several times,it starts with a sort of screaming in your head,and then you start to lose vision,of course it all depends on the weight of the sitter,the lady in the first pic used to sit me years ago,she weighed 187 pounds and was on my limit on a hard chair,the worrying thing that could happen was i am a spectacle wearer,and on putting them back on at the end of the session,they would feel loose for a few hours,i did not imagine this,was my head compressing,who knows?once i got the lady(we will call her e) to plop down hard on me,never again! nearly blacked out instantly.
i have also put in a pic from buttladies to demonstrate hard surface fullweight sitting.
take care all.

[kingerkyle]

When you guys have your nose between a girls ass cheeks, do you ever get an unpleasent smell? I just can't help but wonder how it smells, I have never been facesat before. Would love to try it but am a little worried about having my nose basically up someones asshole.

[al-uk]

Hi Steve,
Must admit I didnt like using the hard chair I showed in earlier post.. it was so damned uncomfortable I couldn't really enjoy the facesit. At the time I was trying to create the Namio pics... I had a better result with Jamie who was much less heavy than Dominique (see pics below) ..but even then it was not pleasant for more than a few minutes.

Kingerkyle... ask the girl to bath/shower first if this is a problem for you...

[Salmon]

Hi al-uk,

Thank you again for your valued input and descriptive photos. Your two conclusions, with my comments:

1) "So in conclusion --my feeling is that as long as your nose is positioned between the cheeks it is unlikely to get broken".
Yes - it is about precise face and nose position

2) "In fact the only time i felt my nose in danger was when I was facesat full weight by a girl in tight jeans.... so I soon persuaded her to remove them and resume her seat..!"
Yes - We will not try it with jeans - just panties - because there has to be some "give". Jeans are really quite rough, as I understand, no matter how appealing they can appear

[Salmon]

Hi Faceseat,

Thank you again for your input.

When you write:
"I have also had my nose directly under a 200 lb sitters ass cheek before and , trust me, a mere second is all it takes for the nose to snap and squash down into a bloody pancake",

I must admit it makes me very nervous, and almost dissuades me from realising this dream.

But yet you also say:
"I agree about a heavier woman sitting having soft ass cheeks that actually take some of the pressure off of your face/nose"

I think it boils down to careful positioning at the moment of contact. I am taking all your comments very seriously.

[Salmon]

Hi steve butler,

Thank you for your additional information.

We may try it on a hard chair - that is appealing, but not in the same position as al-uk demostrated in his first set of photos on this thread.

Were you facesat sidewyas as on the second photo, or forward/backward sitting. If we use a chair it will be the forward backward sitting. I don't want a sideways sit.

How long did you last? Can you describe, from the moment of contact, how many seconds it took before the screaming in your head started, and when you felt you began to lose it.. you mention vision, and putting glasses on after (I also wear glasses, by the way) and head compressing. Did your sitter say anything? (thanks for showing her, too!)

[Salmon]

Hi kingerkyle,

Interesting question. Does smell play a part in any of this with you folks?

[bcted]

Originally posted by Salmon
How did you get a bloody nose? Did she bump by accident? How much weight does she apply?

Thinking back, I believe the bloody nose was actually from a breast smother rather than a facesit. She has a way of getting ahold of my head and pulling it between her breasts. Quite nice, really, and very effective at smothering me. Even though I'm not tied down (she's just not into the whole bondage thing) there's nothing I can do about it. I usually grab her shoulders and pull, but when she wants me there, I'm there.

In general, with the face sitting, she doesn't apply too much weight (at least, I can't really tell how much she is putting on). I've found that my nose is okay in her crack; it seems to fit very well, in fact. When she wants to smother me this way, she'll sit back and it completely blocks my nose and mouth. The only time I've even felt any discomfort was the time she did it while wearing her pants (they kind of pushed my nose up).

BC

[bcted]

Originally posted by kingerkyle
When you guys have your nose between a girls ass cheeks, do you ever get an unpleasent smell? I just can't help but wonder how it smells, I have never been facesat before. Would love to try it but am a little worried about having my nose basically up someones asshole.

Well, my friend, I have to say, you'll either love the smell or hate it. I, personally, love it. It's hard to describe the scent. I think it's kind of a ginger smell... with a bit of a sweetness to it. The only way you'll know is to try it. If you don't like it, you can always ask her to sit facing the other way.

BC

[Faceseat]

I have to disagree on the smell part. I dont care for the smell of an asshole . I do love the weight and the full pressure on my nose. If you position your face in a way that your nose is NOT directly under an ass cheek, then you should be ok. If the sitter decides to move or bounce, she might land in a position that traps your nose under her full weight and if she sits long enough, crushing it until its flat. When my nose was broken, the sitter remained sitting on it after and added to the damage.

[steve butler]

salmon
hi salmon,the position i was in was on my knees at the side of the chair with my head resting on it,used to like it this way,as for the screaming,maybe that is to strong a word,more like a loud ringing,used to start within seconds and get steadily worse,even after she got up it still rang for a while,but you must remember this is a fairly heavy lady,thirteen stone and then some,lovely smother face up on a sofa,to heavy to push off,and yes sometimes a little concern was shown by her,but i am still here,it was sometime ago now.

al u.k.
hi al i love namio as well,if only they were real! tryed that position that your in once,very uncomfortable on the neck!
just like to say that i envy you living in manchester,you must also have the time and disposable income to see these wonderful ladies a lot,don,t get me wrong,i am not jealous,just wish it was me!
my favourite two ladies are claire and dominique,lovely soft plump asses,keep the pics coming and all the best steve

[Salmon]

Hi bcted,

Thank you for your additional information. So your bloody nose was done by breast smothering. But I note that in facesitting, your nose is OK because as you say, it fits well in her crack. It seems then it really boils down to actual positioning when she sits.

[Salmon]

Hi bcted,

Thanks for your comments about the question of smell. That is interesting.

If the woman has good intimate hygiene I would imagine it would not be a problem

[Salmon]

Hi Faceseat,

Thank you for your additional input. When you say"I dont care for the smell of an asshole" I agree entirely - her personal hygiene is so important there.

But, for the pussy smell through the fabric when she sits facing forwards or backwards I think that should be very nice. When sitting forwards she would have to be right on your face for your nose to go up her asshole. Consequently, if she sits a bit further back this is where my pressure on the windpipe question came up. If she sits the other way it should not be an issue, I think.

[Salmon]

Hi steve butler

Thanks for your answer to my question about when the ringing in your ears started during a facesitting session with a heavy woman.

Now that a few topics - smell and pain - have come up on this thread, are there any experiences that you folks out there can tell us.

(My prime concern has been safety, and still is)

Thanks

[fgzugli]

I think I just managed to get my nose sored after an hour long full weight facesitting (72kg) over my head. But the experience was just wonderfull. Its quite astounding as this was my first time and she just wont get up. During an hour long facesitting she was initially in her jeans, then PJs and then nude below waist.

Can anybody please guide me the symptoms of a broken nose bone ? Because a bone is continuously paining, not excrusiatingly, but I experience a swell on one side of my nose.

Can anybody say whether its a broken nose or its just a swell ?

Regards.

[brokenv]

Salmon;
I have been facesat for years by my wife. She now weights around 270 pounds and hasn't sat on my face for awhile but I will tell you that when she weighed 255 she sat on my nose, full weight, and other than feeling my nose go flat instantly there was no pain involved. Once you nose gets used to the extreme pressure it is quite pleasant. Yes by bouncing she could no doubt have smashed my nose flat but that is a risk that I take when she sits on my face. I will tell you that she sat so heavy one time that she actually broke a vein in my nose, it is still visible and it has been nearly 7 years since she did it.
Be careful if your partner want to bounce because if she is heavy enough your nose could be broken with one bounce, Good luck and enjoy.

[fgzugli]

My quest is still not quenched. Can anybody suggest me the solution to my query ?

Regards.

[Fcushion]

this is a great post love it keep it up

[graveuk]

My missus who is around 17 stone (240lbs) sits on my face regularly and ive never been hurt by her, she bounces aswell and does small but drops

[shane]

I doubt it, I have had over 400 lbs of ass on my face and throat and it was tough but nothing near crushing of the windpipe. A lady of about 250 lbs is a breeze. Being smothered you will having your windpipe crushed I highly doubt it...just be careful.

Shane

[femsup]

I think it is really important that we knock this idea that fat women are going to be that more dangerous.Maybe a teensy bit more but that after all is what we appreciate.We want to feel that full weight and the at times comforting
weight and at times uncomfortable weight.Its all part of the thing we so much love to do.
Big women are told erroneously that they will crush a man if she lays atop him and other rubbish.With the really big women it can be a challenge but an enjoyable one.You only have to see what Queen Adreena and Her cohorts do with males to know that one fat woman is not going to be dangerous.In Her videos multiple women sit on the bodies of their "vitims".

Our purpose here is to allay the fears of these beautiful Womyn and allow them and us to enjoy their bouteous wonderful bodies.

As another has said here as long as the nose is positioned between the cheecks of his tormentors bottom he should not need to worry apart from one thing which I will touch on in a nother post.

[killamcbills]

from my experiences, it depends totally on the sitter.
my college girlfriend couldn't have weighed more than 130lbs. but one time, she was grinding away on my face and i felt/heard something in my nose crunch. it was the strangest thing, because there was no blood, and i wasn't in any pain. but i proceeded to suffer from crippling congestion/head cold symptoms. my nose ran uncontrollably. it was a real drag on my ability to go out (we were on vacation at the time). eventually, i had to see a doctor (we were in italy, she spoke rudimentary italian), and he gave me some kind of powerful cold medecine that cleared things up.

a couple of years later, i fooled around a couple times with this large woman (check the story section bbw named lana), that involved being facesat for about two hours at a time. she was very concious about not injuring me. even though she weighed at least 250lbs, 100 more than me =) the only results were a sore jaw. admittedly, i did have to encourage her to crush me, but being as heavy as she was, it's inevitable. a word of advice, the better you eat pussy, the more likely she is to settle down fullweight.

another girl liked to facesit me, but even though she has a meaty ass, it always felt like her tailbone was digging into my face. she was definitely the most sadistic girl i've ever been with, so it may have been intentional.

[femsup]

Though it is nice that they think of our pleasure we must first and foremost put their pelasure 1st.So even if we are uncomfortable if they are comfortable and getting enjoyment from their position we should endure for their sake.After all doing without breathing for a minute is a small sacrifice we might do often when under their arses why not other things.

[slave_tongue]

I used to see and be facesat by a very gorgeous black woman that weighed about 380 lbs and never had any trouble until she decided to use an old weight bench that she had. First she strapped me to the bench face up with motorcycle tie downs. Then she sat on my face facing my feet. My mouth was completely enveloped in her pussy lips and my nose was deep in her ass and her asshole totally enveloped my nose. She started to grind and move back and forth on my face thoroughly enjoying herself, but not giving any thought to my plight as she neared orgasm. I remember feeling a crunch and pain from my nose, so I knew it had been broken, not to mention that my face was badly bruised afterwards. It was hard to explain to the people that I worked with what had happened to me, and there was quite a bit of pain for several days afterwards, but it got better. She apologized to me for riding so hard, but also thanked me for allowing her to have one of the most explosive orgasms she'd ever had!
Even though I was embarrased with the bruised face going out in public and had a very sore nose afterwards, I'd do it all over again....given the chance!

:p

[femsup]

What a nice message slave tongue.She appologised and was sorry and did not set out to hurt you but got carried away in Her orgasm.Your attitiude is to be commended.And as you say you would jump at the chance of serving beneath Her bottom again.You put Her pleasure first which is very noble.

[sub_with_character]

Since i've had a few years of medical training, let me see if i can provide something like a scientific answer to this question, which keeps coming up.

So is FS safe or not???

Here's what i believe is the real answer (which any of you who have ever asked a doctor about the risks of almost anything, will immediately recognize as typical of the medical profession :-) ):

***IT DEPENDS***

The risks are in general small, but they do exist.

And they depend on a whole bunch of factors:

1. How sturdy is the sitter's frame?

2. How dense is her bone structure?

3. How much does she weigh?

4. How old is she?

5. How old are you, and how dense is your bone structure?

6. How considerate is she of her sittee?

7. How much does the sittee care about his (or her!) comfort & risk
of injury? (Maybe not as easy to answer as one might think...)

8. Are you & she more concerned about the physical reality of the act
or about its enormous emotional & fantasy aspects (something a lot
of us tend to get carried away with, i sure do...)?

9. How long does the session go on for? (obviously a major factor!)

10. Does the sittee suffer from arthritis of the neck or any other
muscular or bone weakness? (this relates more to comfort than to
physical injury)

11. What position(s) are you & she using?

12. Is the furniture you are using sturdy enough?

13 and counting...probably a few other factors i've overlooked....

That's a whole lot of factors, so let me repeat again (& later too): the risk is small but nonetheless real.

The furniture factor may come as a surprise, so let me talk about that first. If you look through the countless pix & clips we've all collected, i think you'll agree with me that some sittees & sitters are letting themselves in for some unecessary risks.

Especially those scenes that involve most of the sittee's body on the floor but his (or her!) head up upon a chair or stool or other improvised support.
In some cases the balance on the chair or stool or support looks so tenuous that the sitteee could suddenly slide off, or the sitter could accidentally push the sittee off, or the support could simply crumble or collapse under the weight. Same may be true for some of those shelves that project out
from the beds or platforms at some of the major FS studios, though i've never seen them up close. Also can't speculate about the safety of all those face stools & face boxes, & i somehow doubt if any government agency is ever likely to investigate them...:-)

But if any of those doohickys goes wrong, the sittee may be in for a few problems, the least of which may be whiplash or mild concussion...

Also, even if a couple begins a facesit in a safe & comfortable postiton, as a session goes on there can be a tendency for the woman to push both herself and her sittee forward, so that both end up in a less safe position at the edge of the bed.

I think most of the other factors i mentioned should be obvious. As much as we might like to fantasize FS as a perfect & ideal energy exchange between two perfect beings, it is in fact a real, down-to-earth piece of physical dynamics between two quite real & physically different human bodies.

That emotional and fantasy part is particularly important, and there are some good reasons why we tend to get carried away by it. This is probably why a few of you expressed disbelief when faceseat mentioned his experiences, but i remember when he told us about them the first time around, and i was
deeply moved by his story, same goes for slave_tongue' recent account...

When something is as good as sex, not to mention as good as FS, we don't want to believe there could be any safety problems. Come to think of it, same goes for almost anything, lots of people don't want to believe they could ever have problems driving or skiing or handling firearms. But we all know there are risks involved with those, so why not sex too?

Also, there's probably a basic conflict between passion and caution, both men and women, we all want to be as passionate as we can, we want to push limits, make it last longer, try more provocative positions, delve in more deeply, have stronger orgasms, take on more weight, etc. Caution just doesn't fit in too neatly here. So we have only ourselves to blame if something goes wrong...

As i've written here before, i've had at least some experience as a so-called "scientific sexologist," when my wife & i were presenting Taoist & Tantric sex workshops back during the 80s, & i see FS differently from most other experts. Not that they tend to look at FS at all--they simply look past it. Our practice has been universally demoted as a fetish, but I'm pretty sure this is all wrong, that there is not just one primary sex act with multiple variations for those with different plumbings & yearnings, there are in fact two primary sex acts: plain vanilla as number 1, and face/sitting/riding/fucking-queening as number two.

Proof: both involve mounting, and there are at least 40 different positions for faceriding, almost as many as for plain vanilla, and not one of them is shown or described in standard sex manuals or even in the Kama Sutra.

More crucially, this approach qualifies as a true form of reverse sex, alternate sex, mirror-image sex, almost parody-sex, something a woman can do to a man (or another woman) simply with her own body, without requiring the use of any strap- or add-ons.

Here, on the simplest possible level, are these two co-equal sex acts:

Plain Vanilla Sex: Man Fucks Woman's Pussy with Prick

Face-Riding: Woman Fucks Man's (or Woman's) Face with Pussy

Further proof: in plain vanilla sex, the man's penis fits conveniently in the woman's vagina.

In forward-sitting FS, the man's nose fits conveniently against the woman's clitoris.

It tends to be forgotten that we all have two major sets of sex organs: the organs down there that we don't show in public, and the organs up here that we do: our faces. Anyone who doubts our faces are sex organs only needs to count up the number of ways we use them sexually. Most of which has been deeply repressed in Western culture, though a few other cultures tend to see things differently.

In other words, i don't believe FS is a fetish at all, it is rather the deeply hidden & suppressed other side of human sexuality

Coming back to safety, a whole lot depends on the mood & intensity the two participants & co-conspirators create between them. If you look at all those clips again, you'll see some FS scenes where the sitter comes across as a true artiste, as skilfully and delicately pinpointing & keyboarding her
wondrous assets over the sitter's face as a trained dancer or musician, And you'll see other scenes where things get a lot rougher & unrestrained. And a few that come fairly close to rape...come to think of it, i recently posted a story here about a near-rape encounter in the wrestling ring...

i think rape is utterly wrong where it is inflicted on the truly innocent, but when something like rape takes place among more practiced lovers, provided it comes about suddenly and unexpectedly and as part of a broad gamut of agreed-upon possible outcomes, i believe it may have a role to play in erotic
pleasure for both parties involved.

Problem is, i think a lot of us want to experience the full range of all the possibilities...i know i do...in fact i'm jealous of some of you, who seem to be able to go on a lot longer than i ever have, i keep hearing talk of one-hour & two-hour sessions. Let me confess, i envy you, both the variety of your
experiences & your stamina & duration... The best my wife & i usually do is about ten minutes, which is how long it takes her to get so hot that she invariably comes...

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WARNING!!! Some material a few of you may find truly objectionable is about to appear!!! Proceed at your own risk!!! :-) :-) :-)
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I mean this at least partly as humor, though one or two of you just might take it seriously. That's because the rest of this message is meant for older men (and women), let's say anyone over fifty. So don't read this if you are at all offended by the idea (& the reality) of older people enjoying sex. I
recently noticed a slight trend towards this attitude here, when a few of you complained about those FS videos where the male sittee is (god save us!) sixty years old.

For me that's young, i'm 77, & my wife is a year younger. If anyone finds that gross or grotesque, i think you should instead be thankful that an active sex life can go on for that long! And hey, be happy, it's out there waiting for you too...!

So what comes now is meant for the older, & even the geriatric, among us...if you don't fit that description, read on at your own risk...

Two extra health warnings for us. As we get older, our bones tend to grow less dense. So if you have any doubts about this, you should go and have a bone density test. This is even more true for women than for men, who are particularly affected by a potentially crippling condition called osteoporosis
(literally increased porosity of the bones) as they grow older, though men can get it too. There are some treatments for this, mainly taking more calcium & some chemical & hormonal approaches, don't listen to me, find out more at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osteoporosis#Medication_2

But you probably don't need to worry about this too much, our skulls are among the solidest bones in our bodies, and it's unlikely (though not impossible) that they could give way under pressure.

And there's one other factor you might want to consider if you're older & enjoy being a sittee. Younger members may find it particularly unesthetic...

Your dentures: should you keep them in or take them out during FS?

There's been to my knowledge absolutely no research into this, but my take is that you'll be better off keeping them in. Unless you know your sitter well, taking them out can be pretty gross (especially for any younger members who have made it this far!), but you might be tempted to take them out because while they're in you can't reach your tongue out as far as you used to in your predenture days, which means you can't pleasure your lady quite as much...

The reason this can be important is that your teeth are intrinsically a part of your jawbone, and once they're out, your jaw is most probably that much weaker & less able to withstand the pressures of FS. But if you keep your dentures in, you probably have more protection for your jaw, provided the dentures fit decently.

This is all nothing but my own theory & open to challenge from anyone who knows better. A couple of years ago we had an MD member among us, who if i remember stated correctly that FS is basically safe, though i don't remember his handle or whether he is still among us. Yes, he's right, FS is basically safe, but if he's still here & would like to comment, i have the feeling that he will agree with most of what i've written here, including the part on bone density & dentures.

So i'd say, think about all of this, keep it in the back of your minds when you're making love, but don't let it get in the way of all the pleasure that's also there...sure, there are a few risks involved, but that's true of everything in life, so maybe FS is life, & life is FS...for me a woman coming in my face is the most warming & comforting and fulfilling experience i have ever known. i can't prove this, but i wonder if it just might be like what a woman feels when a guy shoots his load inside her...

More than that, i think that if this feeling is ever more generally experienced by more men, it could bring about truly enhanced relationships between men & women & finally eclipse all past bitterness between us, ennobling all of us & leading not to a truce in the battle of the sexes but to a more fairly fought
battle and a renewed respect by all of us towards all of us for the roles we both must play, since FS permits us all to understand and participate in both those roles...

all the best to everyone!

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