A thought - please read

[John]

Not sure I want to do this or that it's even a good idea, but let me throw this out there...

I can make PRIVATE forums that can only be seen by certain people. What this means, in essence, is this...

For example, we COULD leave the text forums open to anyone...but make picture forums ONLY seen by special permission beyond the normal registration process....for instance, they need to send an email and ask to be included and perhaps agree in conversation that they will contribute now and then. Wouldn't have to be pics or anything like that...just an agreement that they want to be part of the community and will speak up every now and then (as I said before, ONE comment per month from every non-poster would drive this place way over the edge...so it wouldn't have to be often).....

If they don't live up to their end (like posting once a month or so to say hi), they could be deleted relatively easy and then couldn't get back in to freeload just by hitting the forum software...

Also, it would make the forum MUCH faster for the people in the real community....

Any thoughts or opinions? We have some seriously irritated contributors that are sick of the freeloaders....

[oddworld17801]

If it's going to be a step in creating a fun-loving, positive community, I'm all for it. I, for one, feel that it's a lot more fun to be part of it when you post. Even if what you're posting is something that was posted say six months ago, who cares? Chances are there's someone new that hasn't seen that pic or just didn't see it before, and besides it's the effort that counts. John, if you feel it will create a friendlier place, you have my vote.

[crazypup]

I think that may encourage folks!

[luv2betrampled]

John,

Sounds fine to me but you might get swamped with thousands of e-mails. (Just thinking of what you might go through.) The last I checked there were around 6000 members in this forum. If only 1/3 of the people take you up on it you'd get around 2000 e-mails.

I realize that you're not ready to do this and are just chewing on it.

Andre

[John]

Thanks for the thought, Andre :)

I am not so sure the response would be overwhelming...but we would see soon enough...lol

So far the resounding opinion in this forum and the facesitting forum is to do it...

The days of the freeloaders may be numbered?

[nosferatu2002]

Sounds good to me.:D

[John]

LOL....it looks like the contributors are throwing their own revolt even without my help..you're about to lose the poster leche-pieds for lack of comments...and again, I point out...how many pics would ya'll be seeing if so many contributors had not left because of freeloaders?

Here is something from the facesitting forum just in case some of you never get over there

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hi john i used to post every night but got really sick of the freeloaders i put a lot of work into my pics as they are home made
i think your idea is a good one and would bring me back into
the forum and start posting pics again
thanks for showing an interest in those who do the work
yours boon

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So far, the forum members are heavily in favor of pics only for contributing members....

Is there anyone against? (besides dumbass lildog...we already know he will be FORCED into whatever decision is made anyway...)

[tbone]

John, if you have figured out a reasonable way to police this idea, and you would to make it work, then go for it.

You have my support and my thanks for all your efforts.

-tbone

[mediman900]

John,

Sounds pretty reasonable to me. If you think that would help get more people to post or say something then im for it. Though I dont know if people who are forced to post something would really contribute much. They might just post stuff thats already been posted... but you know best, and we are behind you all the way.

[hanginglo]

I really don't know how to say this, but I guess that I am one of those awful freeloaders that you guys hate so much. I really don't mean to intrude, but I am a rather young foot fan, young in the sense that I still live with my parents and really can't afford to have them know about my fetish, it would make things too weird at home. I enjoy this board alot though. This comminity has helped me expand on my fetish rather then hiding it. I used to think that foot fetish ment just kissing female feet, but now I know it means more then that. With the other members of this community posting such great materal what can a young guy who is just warming up to the idea of trampling offer to you guys? This board is invaluable to me and I hope that maybe you can offer ideas or suggest a way so that I can continue to enjoy this board.

[MistressValerie]

I believe OCMB used to have a rule that you had to have at least 10 relevant posts in order to view downloadable pics, but the last time I visited there, that rule seemed to have been eliminated.

I am neutral on the specific idea John mentions, but I would hope that frequent contributors would be automatically carried over to any "preferred member" status. Perhaps it could be linked to the Junior Member/Member status and would therefore be an automatic upgrade? There would also have to be some serious enforcement to ensure that people didn't post crap or spam just to get to a higher membership level.

Based on experience with my own smaller forums, most people are not going to contribute, including people who e-mail and say how much they love the forum. The overall average at groups I have run is about 0.5 posts per member, with about 5% of members contributing at least once; only a few people contribute the bulk of the material. The others do appreciate our effort -- but they don't want to get involved.

It's a darn shame that more people won't even say "hi," but that's the nature of the business. Other forum owners have told me pretty much the same thing.

Love and squishing,

[John]

LOL.....hanginglo, that is an absolutely PERFECT contribution....

We assume you are over 18 years old as some pics are for adults only...

All anyone could ever ask is that you make a post like you did. Well done, sir! My only thought for you would be to engage some of these experts in conversation and see how much more fun you're gonna have now.. :D -We've all been EXACTLY where you are...

[The Penguin]

Yes John we have all been where hanginglo is right now but for me that was before the "internet age" so I had to stick to the sears catologue , womans mags etc for pics of sexy ladies and shoes
later I discovered that guys dumped entire porn(playboy/penthouse etc in the dumpsters at the mall and so I had a few lucky strikes when I was a teen ah the memories

[lucky pierre]

Sorry guys but there really is no practical solution that I can think of... I am probably in a similar situation to other members of this board, who are more than happy to look at the pics and give due acknowledgement to the authors of original material, ie Stryder downunder who's work I admire and I have said so on this board or Mat who's work I admire and enjoy and I have said so on this board and one or two other threads I have lost track of.

The thing is and always will be I suppose is that no matter how much effort individual members take in making original work and posting for all to share or downloading and then posting images from other sites...there will ALWAYS be the silent majority who sit there and sit there and sit there and will do nothing other than sit there...


John has made it abundantly clear that if no credit is given for the original site then no post.. simple, concise and quite rightly so but I think John, that enforced cooperation frm the silent majority is dooooommed...

It would be a great pity to lose this forum as I think it is one of the few fairdinkum ones on the net.. I hope one day to have some postable original pics to share and I know from previous experiences elswhere other than this board that only one or two comments may eventuate even though hundreds will look at the work

My two bobs worth


lucky pierre

[MOXI]

I can relate to the Sears Catalog comment!!!Back in the day!!:D

[door_step]

John, imo it’s a perfectly good idea, but it will also create new “problems” like people who post just very small reations like “great”, “oke” and do this over and over, just to get up to the limit of 10 or 50 or what ever. Same problems like on OMCB.

This means that you also have to do a certain quality control on the posts, so a lot of extra work for you.

In other words, it’s not that easy to solve, but again, the idea is very good.

doorstep

[turbs]

Well being the controversial prick that I am, I must disagree John. You see I myself was a lurker for over a year before finally posting comments. I felt I could not measure up to the veterans of this forum.

To openly admit your fetish for the first time, even on the net is a big step for most. I for one believe in people sitting back and getting comfortable with the realization that one is not alone in this world with such likes. We have to give a grace period to those newbies who just discover such forums to get the confidence to post.

Many people out there are still ashamed and feel weird for liking trampling and I think we can all relate to that. It is not till I started talking to kingfish that I realized I was as normal as anyone else. We must allow some time for them to get that confidence.

I was lucky in that I had to opportunity to speak for many hours to guys like kingfish, kenrug, stryder, rastatrample and others too numerous to mention. It is not till then that I had the guts to jump into this at full speed and actually go out there and try to promote trampling to other groups. We need to lay off a bit to those that are quiet until they feel without pressure that they can finally voice their opinions and eventually start contributing.

Let’s keep this forum open to everybody with the freedom to either post or remain in the background until they are fully ready to jump in head first.

turbs

[satch]

I have to agree with Turbs here. I can fully understand that it is very disappointing if you post pics and get no comments, especially since you can see how many people have looked at them. But on the other side, it took me for about 4 years to post any comments, and i felt compelled to do so after a heartbreaking plea from Daddo (I hope you're doin' ok, just read you've been to the hospital again. Take care!). Even here, surrounded bij people with the same strange need to get walked over, I feel a little uncomfortable posting. So maybe you should give every member a while to feel at home? Just a thought:confused:

[erkka4]

As another long time lurker or freeloader I feel I need to say something about this..

I have been reading this forum from its beginning, as I read the old daddo's. One the first net trample resources that I found on the net was the Rugman's dephi forum, and finding all those people into trample was extremely enlightening for me.

I feel that one of the important aspects of these boards has been the friendly and helping attitude towards people just discovering that others share their fetish.

Making the board more closed and requiring contribution before being allowed in makes newcomers feel a lot less welcome and adds to the feeling that our fetish is something to hide.

I have obviously read the forum long enough to know what is about and I guess my reasons for not contributing have included at least these:

- Being after of 'coming out of the closet' and the fear that someone I know might recognize me. I realise this is irrational, after all if someone I know reads this forum I would know that (s)he shares the fetish..

- Not having anything useful to contribute. All the pics I have have come off the net, and I don't really (at the moment) have any stories to tell that haven't been told many times before.

Posting wasn't required at rugman's forum, but I did post when I succeeded in capturing a trample clip from tv. The example of many posters on this forum has made me determined to take pictures and post them if(when) I get the opportunity.

- Making the first post was a big step for at least me. But I don't think that hostility helps people over that.

- Being used to different online culture: On many BBSs that I used to frequent you were considered new user/clueless if you posted something without real content (thank you, great, me too...). Being silent doesn't mean that I don't appreciate the pictures, it just feels wrong to create 10000 post threads of thank you's.

So I am against this, but I realise that it's your forum and your choice and I hope to get in if you proceed with this.

I hope you leave at least the forums and thumbnails accessable to all so that people can see what the forums are about before being let in.

[John]

Good opinions, all!

Like I said when I first posted, not sure if it's a good idea or not...honestly, I got the idea from the crush board...

Does it not work over there?

[neela]

My comments are same as hanginglo

[danza]

My comments are same as hanginglo

Well... I'm in the same boat as well... still living at home.. but that's no reason for not posting... this board doens't store anything on your computer if you don't want to... just clearing up your internet history list and one cookie will do the trick...

Also, I for one am also exploring and have not much real life experiences... one thing about posting is also post questions to other members and exchange thoughts and feelings...

I know I sure got some serious reactions from several members (you know who you are girls and guys... :D) and I wanna thank all of them for that !!!

Oh yeah John... my vote is with you...

Danza

[groundview]

Once upon a time I too was a lurker.

It took me over two years to come out and “say” anything on an internet “Fetish” site!

So if you want to make a closed community, just think of all those New "ground views" you won’t discover!

Just my two cent’s worth. :eyebrows:

[TF0]

Originally posted by The Penguin
Yes John we have all been where hanginglo is right now but for me that was before the "internet age" so I had to stick to the sears catologue , womans mags etc for pics of sexy ladies and shoes
later I discovered that guys dumped entire porn(playboy/penthouse etc in the dumpsters at the mall and so I had a few lucky strikes when I was a teen ah the memories


oh my god!
what mall was that?!?! LOL

if I only know then what I knew now.

[MistressValerie]

Originally posted by John
Good opinions, all!

Like I said when I first posted, not sure if it's a good idea or not...honestly, I got the idea from the crush board...

Does it not work over there?

Last time I was over there, that requirement had apparently been dropped, because I was able to view all pictures despite only having about 3 posts. I know that they discourage people commenting on (and bumping up) older posts there, and they also said that the 10 posts had to be relevant. It probably became too difficult to police the 10-post rule, which is why I figure it was dropped.

[Jussi FINLAND]

John, your idea is good, I just wish, that it will work...

:mad: I still remember too well what happend old CollegeTrample boys hosted board.....
I'm one of hundreds of people who lost to them money, 'cos that board closed, and they never return the money, or give that value of money membership to their paysite...

Also I rather read and download pictures, than write ‘cos like you and others can see, my English is really worse, and what become to pictures, I rather post my original work (If I just found enough brave girl to be front of the camera) than re-post images what already has posted in very long period...

I’ve been following trample & facesat pages from 1997... so I do have about 2-3Gb images, but all of them has downloaded in free pages, naturally most of them are from paysites originally, but ‘cos I don’t own Visa or MasterCard I simply can’t join any paysite, and CollegeTrample shows very well, that can’t send money directly to anyone...

I used to be a member of OCMB, and I think I still am some how, But can’t login for several month...
They imply that I have rights, or I try to sign in on some as the another person. .
From anywhere, is not found address where to write the complaint. Not that way nether.

Hmm, and now I've written too much:rolleyes: oh well Maybe I just have to try write much often this my extremely worse English:D

[zoox1947]

I know I look at the world differently than most people, but if I was in a situation whereby I had a significant other that would participate in these activities I would be delighted to post pics of our activities and share with others with the knowledge I was helping make the lives of others just a little more meaningful. Unfortunately, I am not in that situation and I guess that makes me one of those lurkers.

I think many of the people that frequent this site are in the same situation as I; in a good, caring, long term relationship with someone that simply doesn't share an interest in this fetish. Lurking is our only means to scratch the itch. It is not that we don't want to contribute. We just are not blessed with the opportunity or means. Hence, we live vicariously through those that do.

Like I said in an earlier response to Daddo, all of you that post are greatly appreciated. Those that feel inclined to respond do. Others, like myself, must feel it is just over-kill to respond just to say the same thing that others have already said and make mile long threads. I guess it is one of those things where you are damed if you do, and damed if you don't . I always go with the saying, "If it isn't broke, don't try to fix it". I don't see this as broke. Just keep on keeping on. You are doing a great job.

[Nick Biscuits]

Sounds totally fair to me. Count me in.

[rene597]

The Idea seems to be fair with me, but i believe that erkka4 has some good points too.

René

[raja]

I am a very new member here... but i think the idea sounds fair... i will attempt to contribute as much as i can:)

[daddyfun58]

Gosh,and GEE,maybe I should say something about this before it gets out of hand.

John,I thank you very much for hosting me and my forum,BUT...That`s what it is,MY forum,and I would like to think that I should be able to add to this thread.

All of my forums started out with me saying that this is a FREE site,and that includes lurkers.I my self was a lurker for years,always taking,never giving anything back.This is my giving back,this forum and all of my friends who have helped over the years,to make me,and my forum know world wide.
I cannot,indeed WILL NOT restrict anyone from viewing what we post here..I/we have tried something like this in the past,and it always ends up tearing the forum apart.

Who gives a shit wether or not anyone give us/me a pat on the back or not.This is the place where we can all show our stuff..

Do we also expect folks to thank the sites we post from?NO,NO,NO.

I know I`ve had days where it`s a pity party for daddo,but,I got over it.Lets all do that,get over it I mean.
John,if you put restrictions on who can look,and who can`t,then just take my name from the board,and shut it DOWN.

I for one,don`t want to read anything else on this subject.
Let`s just carry on the way we have been,that is,those who want to post,post,and those who just want to look and never say anything,then just do it.
Don`t forget that even those folks who register,are also members,even tho they choose not to say or post anything...Me,I like to get involved,and have made a lot of friends over the years.
Daddo:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[(SS)softstomach]

i am coming out of the closet for my first message here. i was a long time reader when steelgut and co were hosting this forum. with no disrespect to daddo meant john runs this forum better than you or college trample did. after the move here i have seen him do more for people than anyone there including daddo. i come here almost every day when i get off work and john makes me laugh and i see him helping people with problems and not ignoring people or ripping them off like college trample did. this forum gives me more every day after a hard day of work than it did before and i thank john. weeks before daddo was the one complaining to us that the board should be closed because no one was commenting his posts. now the story is different. i don't mean to offend anyone by my words i only mean to say that my money is on john to know the best thing and not daddo or anyone else here. thanks for reading sorry if made anyone mad.

[daddyfun58]

SS,without me,and John,this forum would have died.
I`d have to look for a free host,and I know nada about setting up a site.
John agreed to host my forum,and it`s John who set this up and did all the hard work.(Thanks John),BUT...It`s my name on it.

John knows that I have never ripped any sites or people off over the 7 plus years I`ve been on the www.

I`m not one to boast about myself,but thru my honest dealings with web masters and other friends,the name Daddo is known world wide.
That`s the last You will see me write about my self.My purpose in setting up so many FREE sites all over the www,is to SHARE with everybody,My intrests in TRAMPLE.

Many folks who cannot afford to pay for member sites,now get a peek for FREE,what they cannot afford right now,and maybe in the future they will be able to see some of the sites we boost here.
Rember the neither John,nor myself get a penny form any pay site.This is all FREE.

I think I`ve done a pretty fair job over the years.

Daddo:worship:
HE,HE,HE

[mediman900]

daddo you have done a great job indeed.! I used to get on the college trample forum you had before all the time! and to this day ive never seen a bad post by you, daddo.
so dont feel bad if you say something good about yourself. you know that you deserve it. And John has been such a great moderator all this time! without you two the world would be a lesser place.


thanks for everything.
we all owe you.

[ladiesinsole]

The idea of posting the URL along with pics is great for paysites,
I've joined owk and am about to join womanworship, just because of this site.
If this site had been restricted, i wouldn't have known what great
sites these are, and thus wouldn't have joined.

It seems to me (I know I could be wrong) that pay sites allow people to post their pictures on this board, because it is an advertisement for their site.

If you restrict the viewing of these pictures, then you are restricting the number of people who are viewing the adverts.

I'm a bit of a lurker myself, because i feel the material i have is either to over posted, or comes from owk (not sure if we can post their pictures, anyone enlighten me on this).

Sorry to have gone on so much, and sorry Daddo, i know you said you didn't want to hear anymore on this subject, but I didn't see anyone else raising this point.

BTW: I think that the URL is a great idea that benefits the community, without it we would just be stealing their pictures.

Thanks John, Daddo & all other contributers to this great site, keep up the good work, if i'm allowed i will post some owk stuff, have to look into that though.

regards
ladiesinsole

[John]

Sorry, guys...had to take the not so little woman on a date last night....so not around to comment... :D

Couple of things cross my mind on recent posts...

First of all, as most of you are incapable of reading my mind, you don't quite understand how I would structure this if it were to be done at all....no one would get left out in the cold. For now, you'd just have to trust me that I know how to do it without significantly impacting the forum, including lurkers....

Secondly, *I* must have some say in the way things are done here. I was clear about that when I agreed to host it. *I* am dealing with 20-40 emails a day regarding registration issues, cookie problems, personal firewall issues, etc...all things that require MY time to deal with. To me, this is NOT Daddo's Forum. It is not MY forum. It is ALL OF OUR forum, which is why I asked the question and solicited opinions from forum members on what they thought. This forum was here before the old forum closed, just not many people knew about it....so it will NOT be closing regardless. It has Daddo's name on it. I pay for it. But we ALL make it work.

Now, I am open to anybody else hosting Daddo's Trample Forum if they think they can do better....trust me, I will not feel bad in the slightest and would be more than happy to turn the reigns over to someone else and I'll go visit over THERE care free....you want the job, you got it!

[nxStp]

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[John]

Originally posted by John
Not sure I want to do this or that it's even a good idea, but let me throw this out there...

{snip too long post}

Any thoughts or opinions? We have some seriously irritated contributors that are sick of the freeloaders....

Bringing everyone's attention back to the very beginning of what was said.... :D

The purpose of the post was to get people's opinions. I think we got that, in spades... :cool:

Seems about evenly split between people, therefore, no real need to change anything at this time. Contributors, if you don't like it, vote with your feet....quit posting until you get what you want...

nxStp, thanks for the thoughts, but there is no squabbling... :)
Unlike dumbass lildog, the rest of us all know we have choices here....stay, go, host, move, close, whatever...they are all just choices we make as a community....and we all do the best we can within the parameters we have!

[hoax1210au]

I would just like to say thank you Daddo first for your forum (& John's) for your wonderful pics all the time and most of all the wise comments you just made.

I'm sure that everyone that uses this forum are very much grateful
I am also sure that even some of these lurkers will all have something to contribute sooner or later such as myself.

[Ritchie]

Count me in, John, no matter what your decision. I'll do my share to post a few pics now and then, and will continue to acknowledge the work of other members. It's the LEAST I could do for someone's efforts.

I think when a post gets 3000+ views and only 10 or so responses, you're completely justified in drawing the curtain on all those window shoppers. On the other hand, I honestly don't care if someone gives me an 'ataboy' cuz I'm just thankful this site exists.

[laputangina]

You know in a way a private forum could be a good idea in establishing who is who in this community. Although I still think that people in general should be able to view the files, maybe there should be more on offer in the private forum. OCMB runs their forum very efficiently, and ensure that no "loose cannons" enter the private forum, so the level of trust in there is pretty high.

The policy there is to post at least 40 good posts to enter the private forum, and at least 50 to view files of under 500kb in size.
But the 2 communities differ in that the trample fetish is not as big of a taboo as crush is seen to be, so there has to be a lot more trust on OCMB, then perhaps here.

[Seer^]

John, to answer your question, I guess I'd hope that things remain as they are. I understand some of the problems with it but especially after hearing Daddo's input have to lean towards his line of thought. I am a lurker, and really only respond to posts intermittently, however I've been around for quite some time. Like many others, I'm not in a situation that would permit me to offer anything original and it seems that many of the contributors here have access to sites that I haven't and thus post pics that someone like myself wouldn't ordinarily get to see. For that I'm very grateful. Many moons ago, I dabbled using IRC and as such found my way to #feet. This was at a time when personages such as CCDude, kingfish and a host of others gathered there. This being prior to CC's #feetlings. I felt welcome there and actually got rather involved (at one point becoming a channel op for about 2 years)in the community but I now find my time somewhat more limited. The funny thing is that to this point I've never even tried trample, however I've had a strong foot fetish for many years. I enjoy coming to this forum, but as I said my contributions have been and are likely to re,ain limited and i'm hoping that others like myself will continue to be welcome here even if we're not real vocal.
My apologies for such a verbose post but I thought I'd answer your query and at the same time give you a little background on where i'm coming from. Whatever your decision, i indeed hope to remain part of this community, and would like to express my thanks to both you, John, and Daddo for many years of enjoyment you've given me.

Seer^

[John]

Thanks for the comments, Seer.....the decision has been made for now, though...we go along as we have been unless it just doesn't work. For now, it obviously is working...look how busy the forum is!

[daddyfun58]

AMEN
Daddo:D

[arthurn]

As usual I am a johnny come lately. I am not a frequent poster but I admit I surf a lot. I have been fortunate to have been able to share of few pics on this board and on previous boards moderated by daddyfun. Pics for me are not easy to come by but when I get them I love to share them. For me it is giving back to the community that has helped me come out of my closet. These pictures I share, though few in number, I share freely and without restriction. To limit access based on any arbitrary data, other than age, is more likely to divide us rather then to help us.
Let us remember, that we are a community of people that from different backgrounds, different countrys, different religions, and different races, but are somehow united by this wonderful fetish. Lets enjoy this commonality.
Arthurn

[Wickid]

Wow, John. I agree with the concept, but I think it may inadvertantly sweep out some sincere folks that for one reason or another are unable to contribute in the manner they would like to. I am one of them. I have made meager contributions in the past, but not to the level that would keep me a member in good standing, I'm sure. Would you really wanting me clogging the flow of the board with "Hello" messges just to insure that I maintain my member status? That's why I don't post that kind of stuff now, to avoid taking up valuable space for the things that matter here. As much as I would like to, I have neither the time nor the resources to scour the internet and join paysites to collect pics to post. This is a wonderful haven for me, just to jump in and see what the current events are. In fact, this is my only trample stop for the brief time I have to spend online. The majority of the folks here are really great. I enjoy the sense of community we can call our own, but I only speak when it's important, for the sake of bandwidth conservation. Of course, I will certainly respect your decision and do whatever is necessary to conform to that end. Just something to consider. Not everyone can post the way the hardcore posters do. To impose that standard on all would be tyranny of the fortunate minority. Please remember the little people who have no intent to abuse their privileges here. By the way, thanks to both you, Daddo, and everyone else who makes this place work. Regards to all.

[barracuda426]

I'd be for it as long as my current posts carried over....

'cuda