Pics for Sale

[cap922]

Over the past seven years, I have collected over 5,800 pictures from various sites and placed them on CD-Rom. These pictures are in various file formats, including .jpg, .bmp, and .art files. They are not sorted. The pictures include face sitting, wrestling, domination and shoulder riding. The cost of the CD is $25. Please inquire at crooked-asshole@aol.com for ordering information. We will accept money orders or cash only. Will ship anywhere at no extra charge. Guaranteed to ship within 48 hours of payment.

[webmasterbob]

Umm... please keep in mind that if you got it off someone's website, it's probably copywrited material.

If you were to sell someone's copywrited materials, they could easily sue you and win. For example: if there were Meanbitches content on your CD, a guy like me with a really good attorney could come along and sue you for all the money you make off the CD, plus punitive damages, plus court costs.

Just a thought for you there...

--webmaster bob

[oddworld17801]

Normally I don't believe in posting negative replies to threads, but I had to put in my two cents on this one. So you're selling cd's of a bunch of images you got from webistes like this one.
Are you serious?
I didn't look to see if you're new to this forum, but in case you are, we are a group of people who 'share' pictures with each other, not sell them. The only people who have the right to sell anything here are people like Bubba and whoever else has a real business of this nature.
I can't condemn a guy for trying to make a buck, but sit back and look at what you're doing and tell us why you think it's right.

[editor]

Originally posted by webmasterbob
Umm... please keep in mind that if you got it off someone's website, it's probably copywrited material.

If you were to sell someone's copywrited materials, they could easily sue you and win. For example: if there were Meanbitches content on your CD, a guy like me with a really good attorney could come along and sue you for all the money you make off the CD, plus punitive damages, plus court costs.

Just a thought for you there...

--webmaster bob

Ok WmB.. But if i read your posting right(and i'm not trying to start whatever negative flaming or so) it sounds very much theoretically fine BUT...BUT.. on a practical base i've read your private answer towards me on a personal case wich also had to do with taking practical steps towards those who traded/sold copyright material.
Reading this nicely put theoretically reply and your private answer back to me i get a sort of: " Lot's of words but no action in the end."

Just my view on this matter...

[icantbreath3]

I agree that in theory the owner can sue for copyright infringement, although I've an associate whose smother site pics are nicked (but she's not too worried [or paranoid]). It took a long time for Diamond to close down a site who blatently pinched their pics.

[webmasterbob]

I'm normally not worried at all about things like that. But when you waive it in my face by advertising that you are selling my pictures, I start to get interested.

It is illegal and immoral to take pictures that I worked hard to make, and resell them. It is very similar to buying some videos from a video store, making copies and then opening up your own video store across the street with lower prices. Should you be concerned or paranoid if you open up that type of business? Sure. What you are doing is illegal. You can be sued or arrested any time.. today , tomorrow, or 5 years from now.

It is not a good business to be in if you are trying to make an honest buck.

--webmaster bob
http://www.meanbitches.com
http://www.misscrystal.com

PS Editor, my private answer to you was that I don't want to get involved in an argument between two people who had a dispute over trading a video. That is different than a person who is opening up a business that involved making copies and selling them. If I find out that this guy is making his income selling my content, I will go after him.

[editor]

Originally posted by webmasterbob


PS Editor, my private answer to you was that I don't want to get involved in an argument between two people who had a dispute over trading a video. That is different than a person who is opening up a business that involved making copies and selling them. If I find out that this guy is making his income selling my content, I will go after him.

Ahm ok.. now that is in the open let me put it clearly.

If someone is offering to sell/ trade things wich MAY! contain something of you (but you have no evidence whatsover and therefore just beeing too fast with your reaction and just presuming something) and you then start to react with: "i might sue "" and I have someone here who is doing more or less the same with video's..-- fill in trade/sell copy's of.. containing also things wich are from your company or whatever--- then it looks somewhat strange that you pursue on thing wich is vage and unclear but when offered clear evidence that someone else is doing it on the other hand you start reacting with: "That is different cause..."

I call that not beeing persistent.
And it has nothing to with a trade-case between 2 persons. It contains the same point on copyrigt infrigment!
That is my basic point.

[ooloi]

Look at it from a purely pragmatic perspective. So he has about 5800 pics in jpeg, bmp & .art formats in what: about 4-5 subjects which sort of overlap.

Big hairy deal. I could get that many in a week on the internet, for free, including from copyrighted sources like sample from webmasterbob and others.

His aren't even sorted, which allows one to do it much much quicker.

Now if I were him, I'd be offering about 100,000 pictures of various aspects of say: female domination, and I'd be doing it for the cost of the media and shipping.

They'd all be jpegs, they'd be sorted by category and subcategory and folders t
therein.

Why would I offer that? Well, a) that sort of reflects what my collection looks like, and b) I kind of support the notions of the EFF. If you're *giving* information away, it can make it harder to show damages - sometimes.

Now if *that* was being offered, I'd be interested. But folks like our webmasters, dominant mistresses and other good folks shouldn't *even* be worried about this guy. Yes, post a pro-forma "please don't sell my copyrighted material" when someone says they might, because copyright infringement is a slippery slope kind of legal issue. But seriously worry? It is to laugh.

And no, I don't correspond with people privately and no, my collection isn't available to all and sundry. Too much trouble for me. It was just a hypothetical, though a realistic one.

[humanchair]

cap922, could you provide us some details about this cd? such as the sources?

[humanchair]

I'll reply now that this thread is already at the top;

just stop replying to this thread and it will be stopped from getting to the top (most members to this forum only read the first couple of pages of threads) within a day or two this will be bumped so far back, no one will see it. just my 2 cents.

[E.Rotique]

Just thinking.....
does the address say it all???
crooked-asshole@aol.com

I wouldn't touch it with a bargepole!:eek:

[rob]

Errr.... E.Rotique, I think you'll find that John has edited the email address, to stop people from contacting him :D

[E.Rotique]

Oh yeah, thanks Rob from East Midlands, I didn't see that little footnote!:o

[footsniffa]

crooked-asshole@aol.com

hahahahahahaha thanks john.

[feelfree]

Originally posted by webmasterbob
Umm... please keep in mind that if you got it off someone's website, it's probably copywrited material.

If you were to sell someone's copywrited materials, they could easily sue you and win. For example: if there were Meanbitches content on your CD, a guy like me with a really good attorney could come along and sue you for all the money you make off the CD, plus punitive damages, plus court costs.

Just a thought for you there...

--webmaster bob

How about a different thought ...

Assuming none of the pictures can be proven as paysite material (not for public consumption) only. As in, only the free pictures webmasters have posted freely on this forum for however many years it has been open. If I complied all of those pictures onto a CD and offered it for sale (as a service of doing the downloading, archiving, organizing and cataloging) would that then be considered copyright infringement? I mean, I am not selling the pictures actually, they were free to the entire membership of the forum. I am only selling my service in presenting the pictures in a different manner.

I am not interested in doing that but I am interested in what case law and precendence might be invloved.

(Note to anyone who might think this is a loophole; it is not. It is still the webmaster's property and you need their permission to do anything with it.)

ff

PS I would love to have a woman lawyer research this while sitting on my face. How about a picture of that?

[yosi]

Originally posted by webmasterbob
Umm... please keep in mind that if you got it off someone's website, it's probably copywrited material.

If you were to sell someone's copywrited materials, they could easily sue you and win. For example: if there were Meanbitches content on your CD, a guy like me with a really good attorney could come along and sue you for all the money you make off the CD, plus punitive damages, plus court costs.

Just a thought for you there...

--webmaster bob

webmasterbob
you are 100% about what you say , BUT :
there are so many paysites that use the same materia.l
atached here some pics that I believe apear in at least
50 paysites.
there are very few paysites that use original material like
yours, but the majority just steal.

the first pic apears in at least 50 different paysites.
the second pic was taken here in Israel and now it
apears in a paysite called "beneathher" - none of this
site is original.

as a member, when I go and register and find the same
material which I found in other paysites, I feel cheated.

so instead of going on us : the "small" members, it is
better that someone will start to do anything with those
cheating paysites.
( and I am not talking about 2 paysites that took my money,
my bank account was charged, but never gave me any
passwords.......)