Some pics to make the video-makers understand what I like!

[zab]

Here are some pics which I like.What they have in common is;
1.Fullweight sitting
2.No dirty genital parts!
3.You can see the entire action and not only the lower part of the woman who sits on top. Headless scenes are terrible!
4.The girls seem to enjoy what they do.Specially look at Bambi pics. Alas T1 retired and he never made a second Bambi video!

I could of course add any Destiny pic which always has all the qualities which I like so much.

Friends,please tell me your opinion! Any of the pics you like most?Why? Any pic you don´t like?Why?

I hope this discussion would help the video-makers understand us better and hopefully they ´ll produce videos of higher quality.

I´ll come with some "bad facesitting" pics later to make my point fully clear. Thanks for your opinion!

[John]

Okay, guys....from now on I'm just going to start deleting the posts of people who don't post the URL of the site the pics come from....one warning to each person....

Zab, this is yours....

[zab]

Hi John!
The URL of the sites are written on the pics. Those pics which have no url are from T1 and KTS. They have closed their sites and are not active anymore.

[John]

Hey zab....we've gone over this and maybe you missed it....it doesn't matter that the URL is on the pics....you can't click the pic and go to the site....I need you (and everyone) to post the URL of the site so that it is clickable from here. If for some reason the site is no longer up and functioning, that's a different story..
Thanks!

[Kristen]

Hi John:
Do links to Yahoo Group, such as mine, which I always post, count?
Krissy.

[John]

In your case they do, Kristen, because that IS your content....there are a couple other cases of artists that use Yahoo Clubs to distribute their work....however, it is inappropriate to credit, say, fetish.com pics to
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/im-a-big-fucking-crook

Know what I mean? :D

[zab]

Here are the URLs;
www.smother.com
www.tallgoddess.com
www.bootgirls.com
www.femaledom.com
www.trampledone.com

John ,It would be nice to hear your opinion about the pics .

[John]

Well, it's obvious where you're going with the pics.....full weight. Also, alot of jeans... ;)

Personally, I'm a little tired of the whole "legs outstreched across the body" pose to exhibit full weight....and really, it's not as full weight as some people (who don't get facesit often enough) think....that pose does NOT really feel that heavy from underneath....THIS pose always feels much heavier because it forces the ass down HARD on the face....

[zab]

Destiny really knows how to sit,she is brilliant.I´ve some of her earlier videos and she has always been one of the very best facesitters.

[underhighheels]

for me, she is the #1 facesitter!

[underhighheels]

and trampler! :D

[underhighheels]

... and trampler! :D

[Rich]

Originally posted by flipper
what do you folks think of these full weight pics, wish it was my face being sat on though.

Hey dude.
Remember........Use URL's

And for goodness sake........use some common sense when you post a pic. :rolleyes:

[John]

Thanks for the support, Rich.... :D The more people that help explain using URL's, the better....

These pics are from http://www.smother.com

And considering that *I'm* the one being facesat in 2 of them I shal reserve comment...hahaha

I cringe every time I see those old pics...cameras have changed SO much since then... :cry:

[zab]

Flipper, I think the pics are very nice;no unnecessary nudity and fullweight sitting.One more important aspect of these pics is the fact that the girls look happy.Sometimes the facesitters do everything right but they look very unhappy and that can ruin the entire action ,when you can see that the woman is only doing her job and not really enjoys what she is doing.

Here is another Destiny pic,look at her smile,she is fantastic,I wished other facesitters would learn from her.
By the way the pic is from
www.smother.com
And maybe at the time it was called Diamond.

[John]

Me in the pic again! :D

That was our very first shoot with Eve Ellis....we had to teach her to facesit because at the time she was only used to facesitting on women in wrestling videos....so she "hovered" more than actually got all they way down....if you watch the video, you can see the way she started and then eventually got the concept after a couple cuts...

{sings} "those were the days...."

[tsail]

THOSE were the days? You still have it made in THESE days fer cripes sake :)
Butt I do have to admit that was some duo you had to contend with....arrrr ya lucky dog, ya..!

[wakelonely001]

hello,zab! Nice post!
I am really interested in the pics which was from "trampledone". Seems that it will never active. So would please post any more?

[John]

LOL, tsail....I'm not complaining... ;)

[walkonme]

for what it's worth...no matter where they came from....this is face sitting!!! full weight...right on the face...that's as good as it gets...wish i was the guy in the pics!!! thanks for posting......!!!!!

[zab]

Here comes 3 more pics from
www.trampledone.com
T1 is not active anymore,he really loved face and bodysitting,he was very generous and put all his pics free on his site.
The girl in these pics was called Bambi ,she is one of my all time favorites

[wakelonely001]

Really awesome pictures!!
Thanks indeed, zab!!!!

[zab]

Here is a pic from
www.owk.cz

Why the video-makers insist on showing the nude(or half nude) body of men?? I regret that I critisize this pic and I know that owk has made many outstanding videos but I really cannot see the point of showing the often ugly body of males in the videos/pics.
We all have some memories of a girl who sat on us or someone else,maybe in the school,maybe in a park....Instead of trying to make videos which would resemble our memories,the video-makers often make videos which have not the slightest similarity with our memories.
I respect and thank all the video makers for their efforts ,I´m only trying to explain my feelings on this subject.

[al-uk]

Hi Zab,
Must admit I can't really see why you object to the OWK type of pic - don't you think showing the ugly body of males actually helps to enhance the superiority of the ladies doing the sitting? - I know I do. Somehow a nude male sprawling beneath an attractive female looks particularly vulnerable, pathetic and inferior...

In any case I think its good to have all sorts of variety.

I think these pics helps show what I mean - they are of Shelley sitting on a fairly out of shape seat!

Cheers Al
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[fw330011]

to zab:

i went to your site >>>

www.bootgirls.com

>>> & just wanted thank you for the link & compliment you on the pictures...

i really liked the series titled “Mistress Becky Relaxing 08.09.2002”, she looks so ‘unconcerned’ that she’s ‘smothering the life out of you’ ;-))) really good.

• it’s an OLD one butt attached is MY favourite CLOTHED facesitting picture*, it’s my FAVOURITE because (for ME) it has a/the sense of TRUE ‘authenticity’ i just find SO damn erotic & sexy, (for ME) it represents a/the TRUE facesitting ‘sensibility’... not to mention i like shiny satin ;-)))

writing this down i realise that ‘authenticity’ is part of the reason i ‘rave on’ about the 2nd Mistress Ass picture in the ‘black smother sites’ thread, (for ME) that picture has elements that make a facesitting picture a GREAT facesitting picture, when you get the sense that the sitter ISN’T ‘posing’ they are SITTING because that’s what they WANT to do, not because they’ve been ASKED to do/asked to do it for some pictures that will ‘appeal’ to a particular ‘market’...

* i’ve this picture for YEARS & have NO idea where it came from... maybe THAT is part of it’s ‘appeal’ to me ;-)))

p.s. i really liked your pictures & i TOTALLY appreciate the CLOTHED facesitting fetish butt (for ME) the “dirty genital parts” are the BEST part of the (F sitting on M only) facesitting experience... if anything (for ‘almost’ ALL of MY facesitting experiences) my ‘partners’ “genital parts” HAVEN’T been ‘dirty’ ENOUGH ;-))) )))

• or have i misunderstood your meaning “dirty genital parts”, maybe MY meaning is another 'subject' ;-))) ;-)))

take care & THANKS again for posting (i hope you like the picture i’ve posted ;-)

regards

[fw330011]

Originally posted by John
Okay, guys....from now on I'm just going to start deleting the posts of people who don't post the URL of the site the pics come from....one warning to each person....
to john:

that's such a good 'general' rule & SHOULD apply to ALL of the www ;-)))

it's SO frustrating to try & ‘track stuff down’, it's like ‘people’ PREFER to keep a ‘secret’ rather that ‘share the wealth’, i'm talking ‘generally’ NOT about THIS forum.

in the past i've worried about posting links because 'people' tend NOT (understandably???) to like advertising anyone else's URL OTHER than their OWN...

OBVIOUSLY a/THIS forum is different :-)

one question, if you have a picture (that’s OLD) that you have NO idea where it came from (& SAY SO) does the above rule STILL mean you’d rather NOT have it posted?

i ask because, if that is SO, just tell me & i will remove the above picture; i’m new here so don’t yet know all the ‘in’s & ‘out’s.

regards

[John]

Hey fw330011 - It's true, most people are either too lazy to bother giving credit to the people whose work they are sharing so freely or they simply don't find it necessary. I don't worry about giving credit to anyone or linking to any other producer...only pussies and wimps worry about competition. I don't know why some people get so scared of a new guy on the block, but they do...I would hope new guys like Webmaster Bob and Bubba do well..

Anyway, if you don't know where the pic is from and there is no URL on it, you can post it anyway and ask if anyone else knows where it is from....that way, you are at least trying to acknowledge the producer...

The pic you posted is from http://www.fetish.com and is of Mistress Vera Von Sade....OLD school fetish.com back from the early, early days....

[fw330011]

Originally posted by John
Anyway, if you don't know where the pic is from and there is no URL on it, you can post it anyway and ask if anyone else knows where it is from....that way, you are at least trying to acknowledge the producer...
to john:

i understand and reckon i can pretty much ‘credit’ MOST other images i might post, it was just THAT image*1 i didn’t know about...

*1 after seeing THAT image i started to ‘pay attention’ ;-)))

Originally posted by John
Mistress Vera Von Sade....OLD school fetish.com back from the early, early days....

AT LAST a name to the image, 'Mistress Vera Von Sade'...

AMAZING... THANK YOU SO MUCH, i've wondered about this particular ('mysterious', to ME) image for YEARS... For me it kind of represents where 'it' (facesitting) all started, of course 'it' wasn't (child hood experience etc) it just feels like it was the image that made me 'realise', acknowledge & 'pursue' my TRUE 'desires'/'alternative' 'sensibility' ;-)))

I LOVE 'IT'*2!!!

*2 the image, facesitting, FemDom, fetish etc

i AM 'it' ;-)))

& i appreciate the 'background information' :-)

Originally posted by John
I don't worry about giving credit to anyone or linking to any other producer...only pussies and wimps worry about competition. I don't know why some people get so scared of a new guy on the block, but they do...I would hope new guys like Webmaster Bob and Bubba do well...

i TOTALLY agree, have a little confidence in the 'product' you're 'selling', can't one 'sell' AND be ‘generous’ (even if it’s only in ‘spirit’ ;-) simultaneously???

that thought in mind, when MY site*3 is up & running (to MY satisfaction) might you allow me to list >>>

http://www.mistressdestiny.com

&/or

http://www.mistressdestiny.com/forums/

>>> in MY links page*4???

*3 ata productions deal with (WILL deal with) ALL aspects of FEMALE BOTTOM*5 related FETISHES, as long as a FEMALE BOTTOM is involved then ata are (most likely) ‘addicted’ ;-)))

• a thought just came to me... are you ‘john gault’???*4 of the original smother.com fame??? YEARS back i got the feeling that smother.com ‘changed’ ‘hands’ because it DID ‘change’, maybe became more ‘commercially’ orientated???

*4 if you prefer to answer these questions privately*6 you can em@il me directly.

*5 for ME the BEST part of the FEMALE anatomy!!!

• obviously NOT forgetting her BRAIN... i’d be ‘killed’ otherwise & it’s the TRUTH ;-)))

*6 i’ll take NO offence if you choose not to answer either.

regards, LONG live the FACESITTING fetish & ALL who practice it... ;-)))

[John]

Hey fw330011.....glad to be of service.. :)

And yeah, I'm the joker that started trample and smother.com back in 1997... I've been gone from there for a long time now, though...

[fw330011]

Originally posted by John
Hey fw330011.....glad to be of service.. :)

And yeah, I'm the joker that started trample and smother.com back in 1997... I've been gone from there for a long time now, though...
it's an HONOUR, i thought i recognised the 'vibe', if i was to REVISE my previous comments i’d say it was THAT image & (YOUR) smother.com that made ME 'realise', acknowledge & 'pursue' my TRUE 'desires'/'alternative' 'sensibility' ;-)))

• YOU & john stagliano -

http://www.buttman.com/

- were (ARE) my MAIN (original) 'alternative' (FEMALE BOTTOM ‘OBSESSED’) ‘hero’s!!!

i always wondered where you’d got to???

i’m glad to find you here & hope you are a ‘golden god’ in ‘your’ world ;-)))

you made (& MAKE) a ‘difference’ ;-)))

• 1997... ‘back in the day’... how far facesitting has come (in no uncertain terms through YOUR fundamental ‘contribution’s to the ‘cause’).

all that’s left for me (& ‘others’) to say is THANK YOU.

respect due to YOU*/‘the man’ & regards

* except, OBVIOUSLY, if you’re a Mistress ;-)))

[zab]

Thanks fw for the nice pic!
By the way "bootgirls" is not my site.I just uploaded a pic from that site.

[zab]

Here are some more pics which I like.
They are from;
http://www.j-fetish.com/index02.html#
www.owk.cz

[zab]

Here are 4 pics from Newfie´s videos.The URL is;
www.schoolgirlpin.net
I like Newfie´s videos for several reasons,among other things ; The girls sit fullweight and they don´t use bad language (No words like F...u, Sh...t) In my opinion bad language ruins the film.

[fw330011]

Originally posted by zab
Here are 4 pics from Newfie´s videos.The URL is;
www.schoolgirlpin.net
I like Newfie´s videos for several reasons,among other things ; The girls sit fullweight and they don´t use bad language (No words like F...u, Sh...t) In my opinion bad language ruins the film.
THIS place/forum is SO kool.

THANKS for the link zab :-)))

[zab]

Thanks for the pic gwagent.
I like all facesitting pics ,but I must tell you that I definitely prefer
non-nude pics. I like the pics/videos which resemble reality, pics which are like what happenes in a park,in school,in a flat of ordinary people..... Nude pics don´t remind me of anything which happens in public places and somehow they are very artificial.Here are 2 pics which I like much more than the nude pic you uploaded.They are from:
www.dwwgalaxy.com
www.shesgothim.com

[zab]

I would like to upload a few facesitting pics which I don´t like,I think they are examples of "bad facesitting" Do u still think that the URL should be mentioned? I don´t want to say some negative words about any video maker,I just hope that this discussion would throw some light on different aspects of facesitting.

[fw330011]

Originally posted by zab
Thanks for the pic gwagent.
I like all facesitting pics ,but I must tell you that I definitely prefer
non-nude pics. I like the pics/videos which resemble reality, pics which are like what happenes in a park,in school,in a flat of ordinary people..... Nude pics don´t remind me of anything which happens in public places and somehow they are very artificial.Here are 2 pics which I like much more than the nude pic you uploaded.They are from:
www.dwwgalaxy.com
www.shesgothim.com
zab, AT LAST i FINALLY understand what you're saying...

i think there must be two (or more) ‘camps’ on this matter -

camp 1). facesitting 'authentically' motivated - an 'argument' breaks out & the 'underdog'*1 is overpowered &/or 'humiliated' to the extent they have there face SAT ON.

camp 2). facesitting 'sexually' motivated - an 'underdog' is 'humiliated' &/or 'punished' in that they are 'made' to 'attend'/'service' (sexually) the person SITTING ON their face???

i’m firmly pinned UNDER camp 2). butt i understand & appreciate the camp 1). sensibility :-)))

*1 a word ‘smelly’ used that i’m hoping he won’t mind if i adopt, words in mind, please see the “i like words” thread.
Originally posted by zab
I would like to upload a few facesitting pics which I don´t like,I think they are examples of "bad facesitting" Do u still think that the URL should be mentioned? I don´t want to say some negative words about any video maker,I just hope that this discussion would throw some light on different aspects of facesitting.

it's like woody allen said in some movie of his "even the WORST sex*2 i had was STILL pretty damn good" ;-)))

*2 replace ‘sex’ with facesitting.

as such i think you should mention the URL’s of ANY/ALL ‘examples’/pictures you post, ‘good’ or ‘bad’ they should STILL be ‘credited’ :-)))

regards

[al-uk]

Hi Zab,
Its good to discuss these things, but in my book there is no such thing as 'bad' facesitting-- as long as its by a shapely girl!
The only bad facesitting for me is male on male or (even worse) male on female!

I'd like to paraphrase Orwell...

"All female facesitters are awesome, but some are more awesome than others!"

Cheers Al

[zab]

Here are 2 examples of what I call "bad facesitting pics"
You can clearly see that they are not sitting fullweight, the second pic is an example of what I call"headless pics" You cannot see the face of the woman and naturally you cannot see if she is smiling,if she is happy,if she is beautiful .........
These pics are more like sexual acts rather than real facesitting.
I don´t know the origin of these pics but I found them in a yahoo group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/facesittingar/?yguid=38043627

[yosi]

so what if the fitst pic is not fullwheight?
different tastes for different poeple
i love facesitting and i love it for the oral sex i love to
give to the woman who sitting on my face.
maybe you do not like these pics but others do

[yosi]

so what if the fitst pic is not fullwheight?
different tastes for different poeple
i love facesitting and i love it for the oral sex i love to
give to the woman who sitting on my face.
maybe you do not like these pics but others do
:thumbsup:

[fw330011]

Originally posted by zab
Here are 2 examples of what I call "bad facesitting pics"
zab these are two of the BEST examples of "bad facesitting pics" i've seen, please post more ;-))) )))

& THANKS for the link...

what a BEAUTIFUL juicy round ass the blonde has??? ;-)))

[zab]

Thanks yosi and fw for telling me your opinion!
Dear yosi ,I´m very well aware of the fact that many people like oral sex,that´s okay!! I respect everybody´s taste and opinion.
But if you wonder why sitting fullweight is so important for me and some other people I can explain it for you;
For me,the most important aspect of facesitting is to see a woman in control and a man who has no choice under her,she decides how long to sit and when to let him up.However if she does NOT sit fullweight (or still worse if she does not sit at all as in the two pics which you posted) then the "underdog/chair" could easily escape and the controlling aspect of the facesitting is gone! I agree that the women in the pics you posted are beautiful,I understand that you like those pics(as indeed many other people do) but as far as I can see they do NOT sit on the guy´s faces,it is simply not facesitting but some sort of oral sex.
Here are 2 pics which I like,hope you too would like them.In the pic from OWK ,the man is comletely helpless and in the one from Smother com the girl is apparently enjoying the action .Sometimes you can see that the girls are only doing their job ,like a machine but here she seems very happy. Have a nice time!
www.owk.cz
www.smother.com

[zab]

Some pics from www.tallgoddess.com
Isn´t she beautiful?

[wakelonely001]

WOW£¡£¡really awesome pics£¡£¡
Thanks again.

[zab]

I like these pics but I don´t know their origin,please help me to find the URL.Thanks!

[zab]

Saw these two beautiful pics on the German facesitting site,they are from
www.jeanssitting.com
www.smother.de

Don´t u like them?

[zab]

Sorry my friend Marco!
I didn´t realize that u had already posted the last pics,here are 2 more from www.smother.de which are of the same chracter,hope u like them Marco.

[underhighheels]

wonderful pictures zab!