Tangent is no myth!

[MrCrypt]

OK... So I got the video from Luke and pulled some pics off my phone.

I found more scabs and bruises on my arms and the back of my head. My torso has healed already and the bruises on my arms are almost gone.

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I'm telling you, she's brutal. She loves it, and you get that sense immediately.

Session with her... I DARE you.

[Reaper247]

Where and when my man, I'm up for it.

[doorknob]

I'd love to try, but I would be afraid of passing out from fear ;)

[killamcbills]

this video is so good. i'm going to show it to my girlfriend the minute we get home.

[Starscream]

wuss ;)

j/K, would be nice to try out with one of girls as her but the gf keeps me satisfied

[James]

Every one to his own, I don't see anything sexy in that brutality - and it's kind of ridiculous because if you wanted to, you could stop it (unless you're a complete wimp). I like 'forced' facesitting, but the only way for this to really make sense is if you're tied up.

[MrCrypt]

Yeah, I'm 50/50 with that statement. There's certainly girls that can be stronger than guys, but in most situations, it doesn't matter how strong someone is, the guy would need to be tied up. I wouldn't EVER allow myself to be tied down in the case of Tangent or Reese... I trust Tangent fully, but I don't like to panic. As for Reese, I'm not 100% sure I'd trust that she'd get up in time.

There's never been a girl I've worked with that I wasn't able to lift or throw off me. Even with some of the bigger girls I've worked with. Although, I've never tried or wanted to throw some of those bigger girls off because they were way too damn comfortable! :D

[noface]

WE have quite a bit in common! I've been able to take quite a bit of facial punishment and I think I could take Tangent, though I probably won't get the chance. I will have the chance at a wonderful southern charm tomorrow that I'm going to try to really take the limit of smothering to if she wants to try me out and I think the ultimate test if I survive would be Gianna Michaels...though I'm hoping I'm out of breath tommorow and can report sometime later after recouperating that I've reached the pinnacle ;)

[MrCrypt]

Luke informed me that usually Tangent doesn't beat people so much as smother the shit out of them. I guess I was just likey. (?) That being said, if any of you DO happen to have a session with her, make sure you ask for the same treatment I got. ;)

BTW, two of the videos we shot are up on FetishVideos.com... Check out the clips...
http://www.fetishvideos.com/video/smother/17551/ss717-beaten-down-by-her-ass.html
http://www.fetishvideos.com/video/smother/17895/ss718-harsh-treatment.html <-- My favorite.

[butch]

Hahahah you weren't expecting that at all! I guess that is what makes Tangent such a special lady.

[MrCrypt]

LOL! Not at all! Yeah, Tangent's fucking awesome.

[noface]

After today, I don't think it is possible to get better than what my face suffered!

[sub_with_character]

In honor of our current national obsession, i'd call that PUSSY-BOARDING...but i'd like some of it, maybe not all of it, but some of it..

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[MrCrypt]

LOL! Pussy boarding is the perfect name for it... If Tangent was trying to get info out of me, I'd probably crack pretty quick, but I'd ask her to keep sitting after I give up the info.

[Dlox]

Hey Mr Crypt, really good to hear the descriptions and comparisons of reese and tangent, but apart from the force, smothering and beating, how do they go in terms of smell? Watching the videos you just did with Tangent, you do a fair bit of sniffing you lucky man ha ha, but what would you have to say about that sort of thing?

[mistressmommy]

hey mr crypt...a friend of mine wants to know if tangent does sessions with people? he's always been a fan of tangent and the mya girl that used to be on smother.com and said at one time he talked with luke and said they were taking volunteers...does smother.com still take volunteers?

[Sauur]

Tangent is just amazing in those videos. I love her style and her attitude. I'd love to see a clip where some poor sub is tie down and Tangent just goes to town.

I'd love to see something similar to what Macrotica video did called $1000 bonus but with Tangent. The guy would maybe be partially plastic wrapped. One hand is free but his body is wrapped and tied down so he can't twist or lift his body up. Tangent would be paid extra IF she can make the guy pass out within 30 minutes. HOT! I think she could do it...

[MrCrypt]

Hey Mr Crypt, really good to hear the descriptions and comparisons of reese and tangent, but apart from the force, smothering and beating, how do they go in terms of smell? Watching the videos you just did with Tangent, you do a fair bit of sniffing you lucky man ha ha, but what would you have to say about that sort of thing?
As far as smell goes, both girls smelled great. I love the smell of pussy. I can usually even smell when a girl is on her period from across the room. LOL Both Tangent and Reese were both clean. The smells you get from them are exactly as you'd expect.

[MrCrypt]

hey mr crypt...a friend of mine wants to know if tangent does sessions with people? he's always been a fan of tangent and the mya girl that used to be on smother.com and said at one time he talked with luke and said they were taking volunteers...does smother.com still take volunteers?
You'll need to talk to Luke about that. I'm not sure if I heard it correctly, but I may have heard that Tangent does sessions. Please don't quote me on that, though. After that day, my memory is REALLY fuzzy. :D

Aside from that, I don't know if Smother.com is taking volunteers right now. In fact, I don't think they are. But Luke could answer these questions best.

[MrCrypt]

Tangent is just amazing in those videos. I love her style and her attitude. I'd love to see a clip where some poor sub is tie down and Tangent just goes to town.

I'd love to see something similar to what Macrotica video did called $1000 bonus but with Tangent. The guy would maybe be partially plastic wrapped. One hand is free but his body is wrapped and tied down so he can't twist or lift his body up. Tangent would be paid extra IF she can make the guy pass out within 30 minutes. HOT! I think she could do it...
I agree, I'd like to see that too. But I would NOT want to be the guy! Trust me, I know she'd do it. She'd likely want to. In fact, I'd put money on it that she'd do it without hesitating.

I'm sure that if someone volunteered and Luke was ok with this, it'd be a possibility. Of course, there's a LOT of variables in this. So, I wouldn't hold my breath (no pun intended).

[Rockdude]

Awesome Awesome Awesome.

Now if Tangent could combine that with some harsh hand-around-neck strangling...I will have, at last, found heaven...

:thumbsup:

[sub_with_character]

There's never been a girl I've worked with that I wasn't able to lift or throw off me. Even with some of the bigger girls I've worked with. Although, I've never tried or wanted to throw some of those bigger girls off because they were way too damn comfortable!

MrCrypt, I am eternally grateful to you for all those clips you have posted, and I don't doubt you for a moment about either part of that quote! And since my FS experience so far has only been with my wife, i tend to envy the hell out of you & everyone else here who has had the freedom to try out all
these delightful, energetic, & younger sitters. In fact, i'm hoping i'll make some more money next year so i can do some sampling myself, though this will entail a bit of discord with my wife...

But putting on my sexologist's hat, i find myself wondering how true that first part might be IN GENERAL...

Whether most men being facesat would be able to lift or throw most even moderately skilled sitters off of them all that easily...i'm thinking that FS may not only look like a female-dominant act but actually BE intrinsically a female-dominant act.

Please correct me, anybody! Tell me if you think i've got any of this wrong. i've not had that much wrestling experience, though i've done a fair amount of aikido & taiji.

So here's what FS looks like to me, IN GENERAL...:

ASSUMING that that the guy weighs no more than 20 or 30% than the girl...

AND ASSUMING that the guy is no more than 20 or 30% stronger than the girl...

AND ASSUMING that by the time the FS starts the two have spent ten minutes or so on foreplay & horsing around, so that the guy has already used some of his energy & is not at his very peak of strength...

BASED ON THESE ASSUMPTIONS, my thought is that the guy might truly have some problems lifting or throwing the girl off him, if she really wants to keep him down...

I base this on wrestling outcomes, that FS intrinsically is very similar to the schoolgirl pin, which is often an effective way of winning a match. It only requires that the girl on top moves a few inches up from stitting high on his shoulders to sitting on his face. FS is a bit less stable than the SGP around the shoulders, but it can still be pretty hard to resist.

The only counters i know of are the guy bridging, or swinging up his legs to catch her around the neck. But both bridging & leg-swinging are pretty energy-intensive for the guy, and if she holds tight against the bridging or ducks his legs, then the guy is likely to lose steam after trying a few times. After all, she is in control. And there's an added danger with leg-swinging, that the girl may just grab his legs and pull them them down, so she now has the guy in a matchbook hold, even more secure & humiliating for the guy than FS alone. This would certainly be true for the forward FS position, & i imagine it would be just as true for the reverse position as well.

Have i left anything out? Are there any other counter-moves i don't know about? And how do the ladies here feel about this...?

Granted, one doesn't see that many SGPs in pro wrestling, but that's probably because it doesn't look that dramatic for the TV cameras, which is one reason why they do all those tosses & leaps.

Plus of course the taste & smell & feel of FS are so compelling that unless the guy's a terrified newbie, he has some good reasons for failing to resist...

So i'd say that if one introduces a competitive element into FS, once a girl has got a guy facesat, she really has him, & there may not be too much the guy can do about it...

Assuming he wanted to....which IMHO would be pretty stupid...

all the best to everyone!

sub_with_character

PS--and if the girl happened to be a BBW.....

[MrCrypt]

Well, it really depends. With a school girl pin, the victim's shoulders are pinned. That's part of what makes it very hard to get any forward momentum with your arms. In a facesitting situation, your arms are either up above your head or at your body's sides. But the shoulders are still free to move. Even if they're reverse facesitting with their legs over your shoulders, there isn't a lot of weight on the shoulders since it's on your face.

That being said, it's easy to use your shoulders to first rock the facesitter back and then lift your arms up and gain momentum. At that point, you can push the sitter off.

In my case, I can bench press over 200Lbs and have no problem lifting girls up to about 160Lbs completely off me with just my forearms. In the case of working with Cashmere one time, she'd forgotten she was sitting on my face during a cut in the scene, and I lifted her completely off my face, caught my breath, (and as a joke) lowered her back onto my face. :D I look skinny so it really works in my advantage for videos so I'm usually not scared. But Reese and Tangent scare the shit out of me.

If Cashmere were to be trying to keep me under her, the only option I would have had would have been to push her off with my forearms. Even if she'd wrapped her legs around my head, there'd be no leverage for her to stay on me.

It definitely does depend on the strength of the sittee, but in most cases (except maybe BBW) the sittee will have the upper hand whether it be girl or guy. One thing to remember is that during a panic situation, your adrenaline will rise too. I've only had that experience once during a facesitting session and I think it would have taken 3 people or more to have kept the girl on my face. But being that it was only us 2, I won. ;)

In the videos, I take as much abuse as I can. So, I struggle a lot when I really do need air. Every video I've done for Smother.com and FemdomArmy is definitely genuine. And Luke keeps telling the girls "Don't worry about him. He can handle anything." LOL So the girls really take their frustrations and anger out on me. :)

[got_air]

Hey Mr Crypt

Have you ever waited to long then missed your push off?

Would you let Tangent and Reese put you in any double team they wanted?

I would think the hardest position to get out of is two girls one face down ass up the guy face down with his face in her ass and the other girl sitting on his shoulders and neck keeping his face in the others girl ass.

What are the positions you find hard to get out of with one or two girls?

Gap

[sub_with_character]

Thanks for your detailed answer, MrCrypt! I'm sure you're right, & your 200Lbs bench press would be pretty decisive. But i can't help thinking about those guys who don't have that advantage...also, isn't it possible for the girl to kneel on your arms & pin them down while she facesits you...? i think i've seen photos like that...

But don't mind me, you've obviously got one of the plum assignments in the FS world!

i'm very interested in the ways that FS resembles wrestling (with obvious differences) and how it might in the long run provide a middle ground in the battle of the sexes & help us all to appreciate each other's sex drives & understand each other better...

My angle on this is that i think that FS is building up a critical mass & sooner or later will burst upon the world, where it just might take top place among popular shock topics. "It's unnatural sex!" "It's dirty!" "It's dangerous!" "Your face will cave in!" "You'll die of asphyxiation!" This is just some of the nonsense we might be hearing, & since i'm a writer i'm trying to think through how we're going to deal with that if it happens...

i'm also sure you're right about panic & adrenaline...a whole lot of this is about hormones, at one point my testosterone level sank down to almost nothing, as a result i'm now legally able to smear testosterone gel on my belly every morning, & it really keeps me going...with no roid rage...so far... :-)

And Luke keeps telling the girls "Don't worry about him. He can handle anything." LOL So the girls really take their frustrations and anger out on me.

WOW! That's truly impressive... Tell Luke if he ever needs somebody 77 with white hair...

all the best!

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[MrCrypt]

Hey Mr Crypt

Have you ever waited to long then missed your push off?

Would you let Tangent and Reese put you in any double team they wanted?

I would think the hardest position to get out of is two girls one face down ass up the guy face down with his face in her ass and the other girl sitting on his shoulders and neck keeping his face in the others girl ass.

What are the positions you find hard to get out of with one or two girls?

Gap

In the first couple of years I was doing some shoots, I did find that if I waited too long, I got so woozy that I lost track of what was going on and had no idea what was happening around me. I'm not 100% sure how that happened without me struggling, but I guess I was holding my breath to the extent that I was almost getting high (like hyperventilating without the breathing). I remember one time Roxy Gissel was facesitting me and all I remember was her ass coming down... Then the shoot was nearly over. I also remember a time with Victoria Zdrok (I think this was my first FS shoot ever) where I lost consciousness for a few seconds (I think) and had no clue what was going on.

I'd NEVER let Reese and Tangent team up on me. That'd be something that would really be an ultimate fantasy but in reality, that'd likely be the shoot I wouldn't walk away from.

You're right, the hardest position would be one girl lying down on her stomach with my face in her ass while the other sits either on the back of my head or on my shoulders pressing my head into the first girl's ass. The reason, however that this would be hard to get out of is because the girl up top can sit with her pussy pressed up tight against the back of my head while HOLDING my arms back and ensuring I can't move them. So I wouldn't be able to rock to the sides and I wouldn't be able to use my arms. That leaves my legs, but I'd be on my stomach too, they don't bend back that far.

If Tangent and Reese did that to me, I'd be a goner! LOL

[MrCrypt]

Thanks for your detailed answer, MrCrypt! I'm sure you're right, & your 200Lbs bench press would be pretty decisive. But i can't help thinking about those guys who don't have that advantage...also, isn't it possible for the girl to kneel on your arms & pin them down while she facesits you...? i think i've seen photos like that...

But don't mind me, you've obviously got one of the plum assignments in the FS world!

i'm very interested in the ways that FS resembles wrestling (with obvious differences) and how it might in the long run provide a middle ground in the battle of the sexes & help us all to appreciate each other's sex drives & understand each other better...

My angle on this is that i think that FS is building up a critical mass & sooner or later will burst upon the world, where it just might take top place among popular shock topics. "It's unnatural sex!" "It's dirty!" "It's dangerous!" "Your face will cave in!" "You'll die of asphyxiation!" This is just some of the nonsense we might be hearing, & since i'm a writer i'm trying to think through how we're going to deal with that if it happens...

i'm also sure you're right about panic & adrenaline...a whole lot of this is about hormones, at one point my testosterone level sank down to almost nothing, as a result i'm now legally able to smear testosterone gel on my belly every morning, & it really keeps me going...with no roid rage...so far... :-)



WOW! That's truly impressive... Tell Luke if he ever needs somebody 77 with white hair...

all the best!

sub_with_character

Strength always has something to do with it. In the end, anyone of any strength or size can ultimately be tied down and that's the end of it, unless you're Samson! LOL The reason they wouldn't be able to pin your shoulders down is because they need to focus their weight in one spot. If they're trying to keep your head from moving to the side, they're going to sit with as much weight as possible on your face. If they put more weight on you shoulders to keep them down, you'll be able to turn your head. If they try to distribute the weight evenly, you'll be able to move both because 60Lbs on your shoulders and 60Lbs on your head is really not much.

I was interested in wrestling for a while because of this too. FS is somewhat mainstream but mostly as an insult or punishment. You see lots of videos on Youtube with girls sitting on their friends face as an insulting joke. Yeah, we all wish they'd play that prank on us, but are we supposed to pretend we don't like it? One of my friends did it to me, and I just looked up at her and said, "next time take your pants off." :D Eventually it will catch on though. Not like I can say "I've been bad, blow me". But to say "I've been bad, spank me" is almost like saying "I've been bad, sit on my face."

The testosterone gel sounds kind of cool. Never heard of it before. I'll have to look that up.

I'm sure that Luke passes through this thread every now and then! I'm actually waiting for him to post something.

[Luke-]

Strength always has something to do with it. In the end, anyone of any strength or size can ultimately be tied down and that's the end of it, unless you're Samson! LOL The reason they wouldn't be able to pin your shoulders down is because they need to focus their weight in one spot. If they're trying to keep your head from moving to the side, they're going to sit with as much weight as possible on your face. If they put more weight on you shoulders to keep them down, you'll be able to turn your head. If they try to distribute the weight evenly, you'll be able to move both because 60Lbs on your shoulders and 60Lbs on your head is really not much.

I was interested in wrestling for a while because of this too. FS is somewhat mainstream but mostly as an insult or punishment. You see lots of videos on Youtube with girls sitting on their friends face as an insulting joke. Yeah, we all wish they'd play that prank on us, but are we supposed to pretend we don't like it? One of my friends did it to me, and I just looked up at her and said, "next time take your pants off." :D Eventually it will catch on though. Not like I can say "I've been bad, blow me". But to say "I've been bad, spank me" is almost like saying "I've been bad, sit on my face."

The testosterone gel sounds kind of cool. Never heard of it before. I'll have to look that up.

I'm sure that Luke passes through this thread every now and then! I'm actually waiting for him to post something.

first off I dont know who keeps moving this thread to "discussions" because it obviously belongs in the pics/clips section because MR. Crypt started the thread off with pics AND a clip. I have moved it back for a 3rd time and please leave it where it belongs.

As for Tangent all I can say is I told you so. I posted over a year ago that I would not let her sit on my face again on or off camera. I feel like I am in great cardio shape and can take a lot of pain but she goes out of her way to make sure your exhausted and feeling beat down. I know she is just doing what she is supposed to do but TRUST ME. Trust Mr. Crypt, trust my guy Pete who posts here occasionally and if Mya were on this board she would tell you how Tangent almost made her pass out and that she thought she was going to die.

As for our 77 year old, white haired poster all I cAn say is you are truley a bad muthafucka! I hope when I'm 77 that I am posting on this message board and still a facesitting enthusiast! You are my idol dude, that's awesome!

[undrneath1]

I moved it there because after the first post, it contained nothing but discussion.

Since I don't see your name there, I didn't realize you were now a moderator of this forum. Next time try and communicate with me and this whole thing could have been avoided.

[Luke-]

I moved it there because after the first post, it contained nothing but discussion.

Since I don't see your name there, I didn't realize you were now a moderator of this forum. Next time try and communicate with me and this whole thing could have been avoided.

Posts in pics/clips are usually an initial post with pics and/or clips and then discussions and comments pertaining to the initial post. I have rarely followed up a promotional post with more pics and clips in the same thread and this one is no different. I shouldn't have to "communicate" with you on this because it's the exact same thing our company always does when I post but Mr. Crypt posted it rather than me. If you need anything else feel free to e-mail me so we dont truley turn this thread into a discussion.

[undrneath1]

email sent

[Sauur]

Mod Fight!

J/K just trying to lighten the mood...

Your experiences are amazing guys I've always wondered about what goes on in the videos from perspective of the sub or the mistress. You guys are located in PHX? I plan my vacations months in advance and if I could actually do a video with Tangent... well WOW thats where I'm getting plane tickets too!

[DU007]

first off I dont know who keeps moving this thread to "discussions" .... I have moved it back for a 3rd time and please leave it where it belongs.

Just to clarify....


Appointed Forum Moderators of MDFF - reporting to me - (and, of course, John) - are the only people with the designated authority to make decisions about posts/threads etc in the Forums which they Moderate.

In this Forum, Undrneath1 is the designated senior Moderator. Its his judgement, and his call, as to where a thread properly belongs.


End of...

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[sub_with_character]

Thanks again, MrCrypt. You're right, FS is somewhat mainstream as a punishment or insult. & thank you too, Luke, i was just beginning to get some cold feet & feeling a bit relieved that you are in PHX, far from me in nyc. i can handle my wife but wonder if with my dentures & partial missing jaw how i might fare with someone more like a real pro (& not even Tangent...)

good luck, & all the best!

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[MrCrypt]

No problem. I love sharing my experiences with people. I'm going to be taking a break from doing shoots for a little while, although, I'm kind of regretting it a little. Femdom Army just showed me some pics of a girl he'll be shooting with soon! LOL

Aside from that, I need to concentrate on work. I'm sure I'll end up doing it again because it's still a lot of fun. We'll see.

I wish I could take my teeth out sometimes during the facesitting... I feel my lips getting cut on my teeth every now and again. You're the man if you wife is still sitting on you and you're 77! That's crazy! Keep it up! As for handling a pro domme, they're only going to go as far as you'll let them. Just don't tell them you're me and they won't beat you within an inch of your life! :D LOL

[Mightygil]

MrCrypt, you should definitely try the smotherbox with her :p. Thanks for the clip, the one between the two beds looks AMAZING, but then again Tangent always is :D

[Mightygil]

and oh yeah, I'm not sure how big Tangent or you are but I don't think I could move her that easily. You obviously have the experience but are probably bigger and a lot stronger than me

[DU007]

Gotta say, MrCrypt....WAYYYYYY to go...!!....Love your exploits....Thanks for sharing, mate....:)

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[Razor]

This is freaking incredible. SOOOO dominant. Why can't ALL women be like this.

[MrCrypt]

Mightygil, I don't think I'd attempt the smother box with Tangent but if I had nothing to lose, wild horses couldn't drag me away. ;) I'm about 5'7" @ 150Lbs.

Thanks DU! It's been a good run so far! :)

Razor, I ask that all the time. Then realize that I wouldn't want ALL women to be like that... Just a good majority of them. :)

[Heckron]

What clip is this scene from? Amazing work man I love it...Tangent is incredible...would love to be under her :D

[MrCrypt]

It's a clip from smother.com... http://fetishvideos.com/store/smother <-- Most of the clips are on the first page right now.

[Luke-]

I will be in Orange County shooting Mon-Wed (15th-17th) and would love to have some new guys(or guys that have been in past videos) volunteer to be in videos. The shoots are during the day. E-mail me for details.

[Heckron]

I will be in Orange County shooting Mon-Wed (15th-17th) and would love to have some new guys(or guys that have been in past videos) volunteer to be in videos. The shoots are during the day. E-mail me for details.

I hate when you say Orange County. I live near Orange County, Florida...it gets me every time...

[mrghost]

MrCrypt was just wondering if you know if tangent is coming to the UK at all im looking for a girl to sit on my girlfriends face and tangent would be perfect!

[MrCrypt]

I have no clue, to be honest. I don't know who was the last to talk to her. She may be on hiatus right now. Last person I talked to who'd talked to her since that shoot said he hadn't talked to her in some time.

[mistressmommy]

love it i will do that to my slave