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mediman900
04-08-2003, 2:51 AM
I watched the news today, Bush is up in Northern Ireland meeting with Blair.... I see a bunch of asshole anti war shit heads protesting against the war... If those assholes had spent half the time they spend on the streets, working on their god damn resuemes, they wouldnt be in the streets on MONDAY at 12 in the afternoon, they would be at work like the rest of us....
Those people are always pissed off about something, maybe its because they were too stupid to finish university and have nothing better to do than go protest against something they have no idea about.
Vancouver, like many cities around the world does have its anti war shit heads, but it also has its Pro US people... if it wasnt for the forces that are out there, you anti war shitheads wouldnt have the opportunity to take to the streets in the first place!
Wake up assholes, the war is in baghdad already, what the fuck do you mean stop the war...? if the war is stoped now, saddam and his goons will kill everyone in Basra and other Iraqi cities cause they were celebrating their freedom....
anti war shitheads, you have a right to free speech, but dont diss the troops, dont speak out against something until you have all the facts, hell the majority of Iraqi people want the US to get rid of Saddam, the US wants to do, who the fuck made you the judge, people like Michael fucking moore make me see how shallow people can be, they should shove his fucking grammy up his fucking ass and let him share saddams grave...
yes, im Canadian... and proud, and heck we are the closest people to the US in EVERYWAY and we should be SUPPORTING THEM, WE have our soliders in IRAQ right now (i bet most of you didnt know that) THERE ARE CANADIANS in IRAQ fighting but the damn government wont admit it and wont put our flag up with the US, UK and Australia..... To our American friends, Many of us here stand with you, and will never forget 9-11, nor your strugles for peace and for making the world a better place for all of us.. including the anti war shitheads.
GOD BLESS BUSH
footsniffa
04-08-2003, 4:35 AM
yeah, for reaL.. get a grip.. and you're overusing the term shithead.. it kinda Lost its effect the 4th time you said it.. and i aLso beLieve shithead is one word, not two
GOD BLESS SHAVED SNATCH
mediman900
04-08-2003, 5:00 AM
turbs come on youre a Canadian..
our forces are there (though very small numbers.. ) they are fighting over there for not only the US but for us too, dont you think its our right to stand up and be proud of what they do for us? shouldnt our flag be included with the coalition?... just a thought.
yea well i might have spelled shithead wrong, but you get the idea..... i dont have any prob with ppl on here, but seeing the damn protesters on tv everyday while the troops are being killed for our future is pissing me off...
mediman900
04-08-2003, 5:05 AM
so apparently we have 2 shitheads.. cuz the title did say anti war shit heads.. read :D
and dont you dare say im one too, cuz i wrote the damn thing in the first place. ;) :D :D :D
footsniffa
04-08-2003, 5:11 AM
if they piss you off, so what? you have the right to go out and join the counter-protests springing up everywhere... and from what i've seen, the "supporters" protests occur on weekends and after work-weekdays. you can drape yourseLf in red, white, and bLue and procLaim your Love (pLutonic i beLieve) for bush. i assure you this wiLL piss off the shitheads more than posting on this board. if you are wiLLing to be incarcerated for your beLiefs (a very nobLe feat), you can even Lie down in front of starbucks and prevent the anti-war foot traffic (hey, maybe get trampLed too).
adamant19uk
04-08-2003, 5:40 AM
Mediman,
I'm not going to get into an anti or pro war argument with you because I have mixed feelings about it.
No doubt Saddam is evil & needs to be got rid of, but war means people dying, & when you've watched a child die in front of you, you realise EXACTLY what death means.
But God bless Bush??????
A man who struts around the world like a wild west sheriff, with his little flag on his lapel because they won't let him wear a badge, using 9/11 as an excuse to do whatever he wants.
I think you mean God save us from Bush.
footsniffa
04-08-2003, 5:49 AM
did you ever notice just how sexy the president Looks in a pair of chaps?
LE's rugboy
04-08-2003, 7:08 PM
This kind of view makes me laugh. George Orwell would be proud.
It reminds me of a statement that Aaron Brown on CNN made a few weeks ago when he said it was a testament to our democracy that it could "withstand" public protest. The British ambassador to the UN made a similar statement when speaking with Wolf Blitzer when he said that Saddam should see how a democracy works (referring to the hundreds of thousands that turned up in London weeks ago) and followed it with the statement that Blair is a Prime Minister who prefers to lead, rather than follow.
My point is that if you believe in democracy, it is precisely for the views with which you disagree. In fact, if one is opposed to something, then one has a moral obligation to protest since silence is complicity.
Those are my two sense worth.
P.S. I worked in human rights work for 20 years.
GOD BLESS BUSH
mediman900, it remains me the crazy scream of terrorist when they kill innocent people.
Will you do the same if we don't bless Bush ?
You are just another brick in the wall.
thound
04-08-2003, 7:51 PM
If you feel the absolute need to start discussions such as this, please use the flame pit.
That's why it was created.
That's what it is intended for.
I am moving this thread into the flame forum in a few hours, please be advised.
Move it where you want Rudy.
There's no blood on the ground.
Like John said
No, I do not believe in the Flame Pit. As you know, Moby, I have no problem flaming people ANYWHERE.
It can happen anywhere.....
Backwalk
04-08-2003, 8:57 PM
WOW!
This whole war thing got folks riled up, don't it? I struck me as humorous that, when this whole shooting match is over, our best friends may very well be Great Britain, Canada (see Mediaman, we like you!), and Iraq, believe it or not.
Watched the news this evening, and saw the torture chambers at Basra. I wasn't too crazy about this whole deal, until I saw just how absolutely DEPRAVED Saddam and his cronies are. The one guy, "Chemical Ali", said he "only" poisoned about 100,00 Kurds in the late '80s. We may have ran headlong into this war, but the reactions, so far, from the Iraqi people seem to be positive.
On a lighter note, I found this picture in the news section of Yahoo. I thought it appropriate, and it cracked me up! I don't think even the kids like Saddam!
I dont say that much often, but this tweeked me a bit. If everyone thought about it for a moment, the first thing that started THIS war happened over 10 years ago when Saddam decided to invade Kuwait (his decision , no-one elses) Kuwait in turn asked for help. the U.S. and also MANY other fine countries of the UNITED NATIONS responded and came to the aid of Kuwait........ As with any war, rules were laid on the country that started the problems in the first place and ended up loosing.....for example..... the Treaty of Versei (sp?) after WWI ....... wich was broken by WHO? (Adolph Hittler) Look what happened there, nations had to band together to rid the world of the NAZI regime.Why did they have to do this? Because he was breaking the treaty that Germany had signed after WWI that it would keep its millitary under a pre-determined size. he was building his army and NO ONE WAS PAYING ANY ATTENTION! If they would have kept HIM in check how many MILLIONS of lives would have been saved? Think about the possiblities of some of the things that these people that died AND all the lost children of theirs that they never had a chanch to have COULD have contribuited to the world! Maby even one of them could have found a cure for somthing that might have killed one of YOUR loved ones. That is what THIS war is all about, KEEPING THIS ONE MAN IN CHECK because of what he has done in the past. Someone has got ot notice and make sure of things BEFORE it is too late! I guess if your really still against the war what you should do is ask YOUR goverment to withdrawl itself from the UNITED NATIONS because if they are not ready to stand up and take action when action needs to be taken, why have them?............................
Ritchie
04-09-2003, 6:18 AM
Originally posted by adamant19uk
I think you mean God save us from Bush.
Fuck YOU. How dare you deny the Iraqi people the same freedoms you ungratefully enjoy. American, British and Aussies once again spill their sweat and blood on foreign lands to liberate another oppressed people and all you do is criticize the mission. Well, as I sit here this morning and watch US Marine tanks roll into Paradise Square and the Iraqi people celebrating in their streets of Basrah and Baghdad, I say 'FUCK YOU' to those knuckdraggers who will never understand that all the talking in the world would never have accomplished what force has accomplished in 20 days. Iraq is going to be liberated, it will be handed over to the Iraqi people once again and a democratic country established in the middle east. All you assholes that constantly ranted about coalition occupation of the oil fields will be proven wrong and I expect an apology to all of us had to put up with your shit for the last couple of months.
Did anyone see the liberation of the children's prison?
GOD BLESS BUSH AND BLAIR FOR HAVING THE GUTS TO STAND UP TO THE MISGUIDED WORLD OPINION AND LIBERATED THE GOOD PEOPLE OF IRAQ.
God Bless all the coalition troops, AMERICANS, BRITS, AUSSIES AND THE POLES. MOST OF US ARE VERY PROUD OF YOU.
footsniffa
04-09-2003, 6:34 AM
fuck you ritchie.. i'm waiting for an apoLogy for having read your boring shit.
Ritchie
04-09-2003, 7:35 AM
Originally posted by footsniffa
fuck you ritchie.. i'm waiting for an apoLogy for having read your boring shit.
No one asked you to read my boring shit. Nor do I remember asking for your stupid opinion. As usual, you add little to an argument, just dumb response with no intellectual value. But, if you fucked me, it would be the best fuck you ever had.:D
Even now, the dumb bastards of the world can not see the magnitude of the success of this military operation. As the statue of Sad-Damn is pulled to the ground in the center of Iraq by it's own people, there are those in the world who would have been preferred the diplomatic paralysis of the UN. What you are witnessing in no less important to the Iraqi people as the falling of the Berlin Wall was to the Germans. You have BUSH and BLAIR to thank.
I hope the people of the world are watching their TVs instead of believing their lying press and regurgitating it's misleading rhetoric as if it were fact.
Actually, footsniffa, I am sorry you read my boring shit.:kissbutt:
footsniffa
04-09-2003, 7:41 AM
thank you for the apoLogy.. i offer nothing of inteLect to your threads since you offer nothing to begin with.
Ritchie
04-09-2003, 7:49 AM
Originally posted by footsniffa
thank you for the apoLogy.. i offer nothing of inteLect to your threads since you offer nothing to begin with.
LMAO:kissbutt:
I just read my post, you're correct!;)
footsniffa
04-09-2003, 7:56 AM
Originally posted by Ritchie
As the statue of Sad-Damn is pulled to the ground in the center of Iraq by it's own people, there are those in the world who would have been preferred the diplomatic paralysis of the UN. What you are witnessing in no less important to the Iraqi people as the falling of the Berlin Wall was to the Germans. You have BUSH and BLAIR to thank.
i hear the iraqis are tearing down aLL the pictures/statues of saddam and repLacing them with the Likenesses of eminem and coLoneL sanders
Ritchie
04-09-2003, 8:11 AM
Originally posted by footsniffa
i hear the iraqis are tearing down aLL the pictures/statues of saddam and repLacing them with the Likenesses of eminem and coLoneL sanders
LOL....and the DUAL SWORD archways into the city are being replaced as we speak with McDonald's Arches.:)
footsniffa
04-09-2003, 8:16 AM
.. humanitarian aid has begun to fLow through the port city of umm qasr. the iraqi peopLe now have ampLe access to food, water, medicine, Levis jeans, and nike sneakers.
As usual, you add little to an argument, just dumb response with no intellectual value
For sure Ritchie, to begin a thread with fuck you is the best way to have answer like that.
It's really too early to know what will happen in Irak.
There's not so much independant tv on the ground.
Just to see the difference between American's tv and Arabian's tv for the same camera shot, it's clear that it's propaganda.
It's like the fact to say , we found massive destruction weapons and few hours after , no finnaly it wasn't.
It's a real fog what happen really on the ground.
footfanuk
04-09-2003, 2:38 PM
It's obvious that just because we have a fetish in common, we don't have to agree with each other or even like each other
:(
The war is illegal, it has no international support apart from a few governments that are acting against the will of their own people (so much for democracy!), and in the long run the war will fail to deliver its intended goals... Unless of course, the whole war was just to get rid of one man, which I think was not really the point of this war anyway. And even if it were a war to just kill Saddam, there is no guarrantee that we won't face another Saddam in 10 years' time.
To put it bluntly, the next time we see Arab terrorists kill westerners and especially Americans, they will be able to say it is for revenge for what Bush did in 2003 - and we won't be able to argue against them. With every year that passes, we manage to increase their hatred against us. What an achievement.
"God save us from Bush" - well said my friend.
Intrepid
04-09-2003, 4:17 PM
Hmmm...
The war is illegal? I didn't realize that the US had traded its national soverignty to the UN.
The US is a democracy? Um... no. The US is a constitutional republic.
The US is acting against the will of their people? Why is it then that several reputable polls, as reported by our largely leftist media, express upwards of 80% of respondants supporting the war?
No guarantee that we won't face another Saddam in 10 years' time? True, but I betcha that (1) it won't happen in Iraq, and (2) if they fuck with us and we have a leader as respectable as Bush, they won't be in power for long.
The Iraqis really seem to hate us. Usually, people who hate us celebrate our presence much like they are in the streets of Baghdad and Basrah... and religious leaders ask their followers to say prayers for Coalition troops. You're right... there's lots of hate there.
I'll you what. When you are ready to apply facts, logic, and reason when analyzing this rather than emotions, let's compare the multitudes of killings Saddam has committed to the number of people lost in the war. For those that are in the habit of complaining about gas price increases being so bad, when they are vastly dwarfed by the increasing amounts taken from us via income taxes to pay for social(ist) programs, well... I guess I can't expect you to understand such simple things. However, when you run the hard numbers, and rationalize the situation, the goodness of the war is pretty hard to deny.
So... I tell you what. You continue to live in your fantasy world of idealism and emotion. You continue to willingly trade away your freedom for security. I'll continue to live in my world of reality, facts, logic, and reason, and continue to be free and be thankful for those who fight and have fought to ensure my freedom. There's a reason the US is the lone superpower of the world, and it isn't because we cower in fear of those who threaten us.
kenrug
04-09-2003, 5:23 PM
Originally posted by MOBY
... It's really too early to know what will happen in Irak.
There's not so much independant tv on the ground.
Just to see the difference between American's tv and Arabian's tv for the same camera shot, it's clear that it's propaganda.
....
It's a real fog what happen really on the ground.
Wow. I’m not getting into this one (too busy elsewhere). But I just had to say “Wow.”
Oh, and maybe “I can’t believe I really read that.”
I don´t want to guess anything about how long this war will be going on, I really hope its over already now - and it looks like the regime of Sadam Hussein have left Baghdad. I just heared the official Iraqi ambassador in UN - he have not heared anything from Baghdad, he presumed that the war was over.
But to the point of Mobby - the differences of the TV-stations broadcasting from Iraq is big - its really true. Here I can see 4-6 Arabic stations, 30-40 European stations and 3-4 American stations.
Sometimes its really like they have been reporting about two different wars.
My - admittet European - view to this is that you Americans are those that have seen most war and less blood - the Arabic stations have focused on the human suffering in Iraq - and not showed much war - the most balanced war repports came from Europe, including BBC-World. German Television have showed very much backgground stuff to this conflict, and they have done, in my opinion, the best job (of those languages I understand). They never joined any of the propagandistic views that all military forces alwayes use to look better in the public.
A question for you Americans - how have the minor American television stations repported. I notised that a station like CNN never show any backgground reportages - only max. 10 minuttes to discuss a question - but very often less. How do you feed your curiosity towards better understanding of the whole picture in the conflict, are the smaller stations more serious then the big ones ?
Best from
jump
I can´t belive I missed this topic
@mediman900
You wrote about the demonstraters:
Those people are always pissed off about something, maybe its because they were too stupid to finish university and have nothing better to do than go protest against something they have no idea about
Reading your post, and your choise of words, it looks to me that you didnt made it to the unversity either. With your passion for the war I suggest that you volunteer to the Army and go out in the world to fight for your ideas - and the test for the Army is not that hard to pass compared with that university thing. Your language will fit just fine. Go ahead Rambo!
jump
Originally posted by jump
My - admittet European - view to this is that you Americans are those that have seen most war and less blood - the Arabic stations have focused on the human suffering in Iraq - and not showed much war
Where were these news organizations covering the human suffering in Iraq as Saddam tortured and murdered his fellow Iraqi people? NO amount of civilian casualties in this conflict will equal .01 percent of the murdered and tortured civilians under the current Iraqi regime. The peaceniks amaze me with their blindness as they scream about the children killed in this war. It's terrible, I agree. In a perfect world, no innocent people would die. But the FACT is, we are SAVING lives over there. LESS Iraqi people will die THIS YEAR than any year in recent memory, simply because we have removed that murderous regime from power. They will soon have food, water, power, freedom and the ability to LIVE. No amount of peaceful negotiations would ever have achieved this.
What's really happening on the ground is a "fog"?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Man, you peaceniks just can NOT stand being wrong....always the same doom and gloom predictions, and ALWAYS wrong. Pitiful...
kenrug
04-09-2003, 9:30 PM
Somebody mentioned comparative media studies (or something like that) (http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_768569.html?menu=news.wariniraq)
Somebody else mentioned children. (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=1514&e=4&u=/afp/20030408/wl_mideast_afp/iraq_war_marines_prison_030408163048)
kenrug
04-09-2003, 9:46 PM
Somebody suggested I expand my media input sources by, for example, reading the Guardian.
So I did. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,932001,00.html)
mediman900
04-09-2003, 11:46 PM
@ jump
you are right, i havent finished university yet, HOWEVER i am a still a student... major Electrical Engineering... :thebird: :thebird:
im not pro war, if you, the so called educated one read my whole point, i said you have to be crazy to want war, but here you had no better choice.
besides you are you to judge... switch on the tv, The Iraqi people want the change, the US wants the change... if you dont like it, you have the right to go paint yourself in green and pretend youre a tree.... but the war isnt on you its on someone else, and frankly they dont give a shit what you and the rest of the tree huggers, as someone so elegantly put it, think.
ALL im saying is that we need to support the troops, instead of this fucking anti war shit that makes me sick now.. the war is almost over, wake up, i think you fell asleep lying/protesting on the railroad tracks.....
those folks are out there defending our freedom and you got people who use that freedom provided to them by the troops to say shit...
then you got governments like that of canada that wont admit that its troops are in the war
http://www.cbc.ca/storyview/CBC/2003/03/27/cdnsoldiers030327
That is why im pissed off, our flag is not even included in the coalition... fuck the protesters.. its time to wake up and live in the real world.
next stop ==============>>>>>>>>> SYRIA
GET EM ALL, LETS ROLL
GOD BLESS BUSH
maybe some of you guys should read some history books, might learn a thing or two.
turbs
mediman900
04-10-2003, 3:24 AM
i agree turbs,
maybe they should :D:D:D:D
@John
you wrote:
NO amount of civilian casualties in this conflict will equal .01 percent of the murdered and tortured civilians under the current Iraqi regime.
That what this war is all about:
the price to pay to get rid of WMD and the regime of the Bathparty. Before a war is started we can only guess the price (price = human suffering, money costs, infrastructure destroyed etc.).
What to compare with, we already know - the terror regime of Sadam Hussein (that have been a very bad experience for both the Iraqi people and the naigbors of Iraq). His regime have not been a threat to the world - only a reginal threat as I see it. The liberation of the Iraqi people from Sadam Hussein is becaurse of that not a question that schould involve the world. There are 100 other dictators around - some of them even more cruel then Sadam Hussein. Who knows what is going on in China ? are they killing millions of people ?
One of the problems is the military strengh of some dictators around the world. If USA, UK, France, Germany, Italy, Russia and China would simply not selling weapons to those dictators - the people of those countrys could accually destroy those regimes themselves - and we could be involved at a lower level be only supporting the democratic opposition (not like the USA did in Afghanistan by supporting Osama Bin Laden - out of the Princip: the enemy of my enemy is my friend).
Lets not forget that it was the western world that made Saddam Hussein what he was military seen. Just becaurse of he resistence to the regime of Mullahs in Iran - again from the princip: the enemy of my enymy is my friend = Sadam Hussein.
With the relatively few losses of civilian lifes in Iraq (so far, and from what we know so far) I think that the end of the Bathparty time in Iraq is a good investment for the Iraqi people. But of course not for those that died in the war, or those that lost loved ones, or the many children that will have to live the rest of their lives with handicaps becaurse of this war. But for those that came through without any causulties or injuries in their familys - there is only one thing to do - CONGRATS to your (hoppefully) new freedom.
Best from
jump
footsniffa
04-10-2003, 5:01 AM
iraqis cheered in jubiLation on the streets of baghdad, and chanted, "bush, bush, bush" and "yes, yes, mister"
i Loved the pictures of the iraqi peopLe riding "saddam's head" around the streets. it made me think of urban cowboy.
broken
04-10-2003, 5:11 AM
War is never the answer
kenrug
04-10-2003, 5:48 AM
War is never the answer - Neville Chamberlain, 1938
(Well, it's not an actual quote, but ...)
buck236_1999
04-10-2003, 8:40 AM
read this carefully cause it is coming from a Marine.
you're damn right "God Bless Bush!", he's the best president we have had in a long time. he knows how to deal with adversity and what is best for the free people of the world. we were looking at the total collapse of the economy just a few weeks ago, i mean another great depression. this war has saved the world economy, which might i add was in shambles after investor confidence was ruined after 9/11. i mean look at the iraqi people, they're so happy to be free. and not only that i want to remind you all of the golden rule..."HE WHO HAS THE GOLD MAKES THE RULES" and we have the gold. so i dont wanna hear any bitching because even if you dont like Bush (and not everyone has to) he controls the country with the most gold and is using that gold to insure a democratic way of life for all the peoples of the world.
thats my two cents
footsniffa
04-10-2003, 8:46 AM
i read that very carefuLLy.. but onLy because you are a jarhead
Originally posted by jump
the price to pay to get rid of WMD and the regime of the Bathparty. Before a war is started we can only guess the price (price = human suffering, money costs, infrastructure destroyed etc.).
Jump, you may have been guessing, but the U.S. Military was not guessing. They know what they are doing and what the toll would likely be. The only thing still in question (as it was from the beginning) is if Saddam will kill his own people with chemical weapons rather than let them live free without him. We know he isn't going to get many of our soldiers.
Honestly, I don't care much about liberating the Iraqi people. I doubt many Americans do. I can just imagine these same cheering Iraqis kissing American soldiers now, cheering on 9/11....
This was always about removing a threat to our national security. Was Iraq going to invade us? No. But they are a major supplier of WMD. Don't believe it? Who cares. Some people don't believe we landed on the moon and I don't care to convince them otherwise either....
mediman900
04-10-2003, 10:58 AM
With the relatively few losses of civilian lifes in Iraq (so far, and from what we know so far) I think that the end of the Bathparty time in Iraq is a good investment for the Iraqi people
oh jump is jumpping to our side ... a few days ago he was like all the other anti war ppl saying war is bad that millions will die, freedom will never be achived, and that this will be another vietnam for the US... blah blah.. now he says its a good investment..... just like frenchie chirac and the german chancellor.....
keep on guessing my friend.... like John said.. you might but the US doesnt.[
footsniffa
04-10-2003, 11:11 AM
Originally posted by mediman900
oh jump is jumpping to our side ... a few days ago he was like all the other anti war ppl saying war is bad that millions will die, freedom will never be achived, and that this will be another vietnam for the US... blah blah.. now he says its a good investment..... just like frenchie chirac and the german chancellor.....
keep on guessing my friend.... like John said.. you might but the US doesnt.[
what the heLL is "our side"... the canadien aLLiance? and the "neutraLity" of canada in this confLict ... at Least mexico has an excuse in being dirt-poor and Lacking a substantiaL army. weLL, "your side" did send troops to iraq, but not to fight.. to mop up the mess and and bring humanitarian aid. stick to your hash-bars and hockey teams, and then you can properLy refer to them as "your team" and stay outta worLd poLitics.
mediman900
04-10-2003, 11:18 AM
you missed the point
our side, i meant the coalition footsniffa!!
yea well our Hockey team screwed yours, in both the mens and the womens games....
"your side" did send troops to iraq, but not to fight.. to mop up the mess and and bring humanitarian aid
:2guns: SCREW YOU FOOTSNIFFA, you god damn democ-rat
we sent in our troops to fight not to clean up the mess left by your soliders... READ something before you start saying shit.
:mad: hell is the matter with you boy
for the record, we'll see who wins the playoffs.... im sure we'll see the same scenes here like when we won the olympics...
footsniffa
04-10-2003, 11:28 AM
ooooh you got me there.. as being an hockey fanatic, i am quite hurt.. but teLL me how are the grizzLies doing in the nba now? oh wait a minute...
i know that you were referring to "the coaLition".. and if i recaLL, i do beLieve i read somewhere (and so i'm gonna say shit) that canada was not part of the coaLition. but don't worry.... i hear jean chretien is resigning in february.. maybe the aLLiance can get the LiberaLs out finaLLy.
i am amused by the "democ-rat" comments you constantLy throw around.. it may have been funny once.. i certainLy don't take it as an insuLt (i'm a communist.. or fascist. i can't remember)
pLease do teLL me though.. how much $$$ do you bLeed to stephen harper? is he the one who coined the "democ-rat" phrase? if you have an in with the aLLiance Leader, see if he Likes the "repubLi-cant" phrase....
Originally posted by John
But the FACT is, we are SAVING lives over there. LESS Iraqi people will die THIS YEAR than any year in recent memory, simply because we have removed that murderous regime from power.
That is ofcourse if they don't simply get into a whole messy civil war. LOL But even if they do, they will be at least fighting and dying for something they believe in instead of just some dictator.
And that's a plus, I guess....
[Already some Shiite exiled leader got shot or hacked to death upon returning to Iraq by rival factions]
As for media coverage, mentioned by Jump or someone above.
It's true that American TV tend to focus more on our troops, or Iraqi civilians coming out to cheer for us.
And Arab tvs tend to focus on wounded civilians in hospitals, but both stations have shown the liberated civilians in Baghdad toppling down the statues of Saddam. So despite the news being biased always, some things cannot be denied.
As for the rest of the thread, meh.
People who feel this strongly about Bush should either, join the army, march in pro-war rallies or give Bush a donation.
As for me, I'm giving my donation to help Iraqy civilians who got caught up in the war.
mediman900
04-10-2003, 12:02 PM
i guess you were referring to me,
I never said i supported war, i said that this was the best route to take in this situation, and there are many other similar situations in the mideast where talking does no good.
As for Bush, i dont need to join the army, everyones free to his/her opinion and i along with many people think he is good...
as for donations, id rather spend the money buying my gf some new heels so i could get trampled more ;) :D:D
@mediman900
You wrote:
oh jump is jumpping to our side ... a few days ago he was like all the other anti war ppl saying war is bad that millions will die, freedom will never be achived, and that this will be another vietnam for the US... blah blah.. now he says its a good investment..... just like frenchie chirac and the german chancellor.....
I don´t expect you to understand a more detailed picture of whats going on. Just keep your black and white picture of a complex world. Basicly, not something, but everything you write is completly wrong. Please read my posts once more.
jump
@John
You wrote:
The only thing still in question (as it was from the beginning) is if Saddam will kill his own people with chemical weapons rather than let them live free without him. We know he isn't going to get many of our soldiers.
I can think of another scenario that schould play a role also. Other arabic countrys messing up in this conflict. Turkey, Syria and Iran are potentiel parts in this conflict. I´m not saying they will get involved - but there is a potiental risk they would.
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asphodel
04-10-2003, 2:34 PM
WAR->
That is the reaons...
George W. Bush is a puppet... puppet of his father...
Now Euro is stronger.. and most of the petrol trader countries use Euro istesad of Us dollar...
Usa is trying weapons by the help of this war...
Usa is out of fuel...
If the euro beats dollar.... Usa will get into an economical crisis...
That's all of the War..
But... usa should fight with israel.... because israil > Nazi.....
everybody knows what happened at filistin (i dont know the name in english).
Fuck George Bush, fuck Saddam... Fuck war, Fuck weapons, fuck life, fuck all the wolrd because of its order....
AND FUCK YOU mediman900... stop writing word about the topics that you dont know anyshit about...
look at your own job... go and study apllied mechanics, electrical circuits or what are you learning now at university.... let others talk about the war shithead..
asphodel
04-10-2003, 2:40 PM
Originally posted by jump
@John
You wrote:
I can think of another scenario that schould play a role also. Other arabic countrys messing up in this conflict. Turkey, Syria and Iran are potentiel parts in this conflict. I´m not saying they will get involved - but there is a potiental risk they would.
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jump you little brained bastard..... don't you know all of the people in turkey are turks..... not arabic.... GO AND READ BOOKS ABOUT TURKISH PEOPLE.... I hate arabians and i hate people who says Turkey arabic coutry... the First Turkish civilizatin was hun empire... empires location was asia.... then all the tr people migrated to anatolia from asia.... Do you learn anything?!?!?!??! because you are sucj an idiot.. and eveybody know the place of arabic people...
Originally posted by asphodel
Usa is out of fuel...
LOL
Finally, some comedy relief...
asphodel
04-10-2003, 3:13 PM
no thats exactly true...
i have to say that pentagon is the most clever agensy in the wolrd... thay are not plannig about 5 years later... thay are plannig 100 years later....
John do you know which country has the greatest boron reserve in the world? -> that country is turkey....
and which country is the 2nd in the wolrd fot its boron reserve..
-> that country is USA.. But if we look at USA's boron mines... we can see there is a clash at USA's mine and boron reserve rate...
Answer is easy... Look at the country where usa buys boron? Form Turkey.... you see it is very easy.....
Know i want to ask you something.. I have read an article in an magazine (not turkish) about the cars that working with boron?!?!? who invented it Daimler Chrysler.... did you understand know why i have an opinion like that.... and need to add that it only my opininon...
So you are saying we are out of oil.....in 100 years? LOL
My tinfoil hat must me letting some of the alien brain waves in...
asphodel
04-10-2003, 3:39 PM
:D :D you will not run out of petrol.... i am not a petrol expert :) that i learned from a magazine... aaa may be english but i cant remember.... it was writing petrol shortage reported at texas.... you see i am not an agent that researches petrol reserve in america... only a magazine news :D eheheheh..... but the whole thing i said about boron is true...
@asphodel
I sometime wish that politicians would try see 100 year out in the future, but unfortnetly they don´t look any longer then their next reelection - worldwide.
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asphodel
04-10-2003, 3:53 PM
but they see jump... they see.... they are clever than all of us, beacuse of this they are the politicans of the wolrs strongest countery USA.. they have to see their future...
tell me that they don't see Euro will dominate world like dollar was dominating the world a few years ago...
mediman900
04-10-2003, 5:57 PM
hey jump,
you are the one that obviously needs to open up his mind and try other explanations rather than following along with everyone else, most people were against the war, and now that saddams gone and relatively few people have died... Even you said that its good, so before telling other people that they dont know anything, open your mind up to the possibility that you are wrong yourself.
that asphodel guy is really funny.... get a grip lad... i dont understand half of what you write man... learn to speak before you write....
@asphodel
Yes I know that Turkey ain´t Arabic - everytime I have written Arabic, I have ment the Middle East culture.
And b.t.w. if the Turks are so proud to be Turks - why don´t they leave the eastern part of Turkey to the Kurdes ? What do you want with those people ? you don´t like them - they would rather be independent - let them go in peace, would be bether for both Turks and Kurdes - but mayby we run into some very old (and very oft tryed) Turkish regional ambitions in this question ?
just my 2 cent
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mediman900
04-10-2003, 6:40 PM
@ jump
The problem with the Kurds is that they lie in a region that is betwen Iraq, Iran, Syria and Turkey. if there is to be a "Kurdistan" it would be in the middle of these countries... Turks are proud, and that would be a reason for them not to give out their land... if the Kurds get a country, tomorrow you will get the Sunnis and the Shiites and all the other different arab factions wanting their own country....
How would you like it if your country got split up ?
@mediman900
I could be wrong about many things.
But if you have followed my posts carefully I have not said anything about how this war would end. I have just pointed out my doubts that this would take a good end. I have tryed to explain the dangers (not the facts) that a war could bring. There are only two facts that was predictible in this war as I see it:
1. The regime of Saddam Hussein would colapse
2. Many muslims in the Middle East would be very upset about the war.
Everything else must have to be based on judgements drawn from different kind of sourceses.
Yes I was against the war - and I still think that a war is to risky compared to those good goals that a war also could bring - like the liberation of the Iraqi people.
But if you want me to be sad that the war is already finished (as far as it looks like) you must be out of your mind. I don´t see this as a pissing contest in arguments or anything like that. I´m very happy that it looks like it comes to an end very soon. I could turn it the other way around:
Would you be happy if the US/UK forces found a village that had been poisend by chemical weapons by the regime ? It would somehow legimite the war a bit more, or ????
But there are also a lot of different people against the war. Some people are against for principple reasons - I am not - some becaurse they hate USA - I do not - some becaurse they think that this war is about stealing oil - I don´t think that, some becaurse they support Saddam Hussein - I dont do that.
My reason is clear, I was against this becaurse of 3 reasons:
1. The weapon inspectors of the UN said they could deal with Saddam Husseins WMD - I belived (and still does) them.
2. The unpredicable situation that a war could provoke - not only in the Middle East, but also among the Western countrys
3. I have not seen any massive requests from the Iraqi people to be liberated - not even among the Iraqis that have flied to the western world to escape the regime. I know that this could very easy be misunderstood - NO, I don´t support the regime of Saddam Hussein - and YES, the most Iraqis are proberbly happy to get rid of him. That doesent - however - show me any large requests from Iraqis to be freed by the western world. Mayby they have enough experiences with us - remembering us selling weapons to Saddam in the 80´s - and finally bombing them in the 90´s.
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@mediman900
You wrote:
How would you like it if your country got split up ?
If a part of Denmark doesent want to part of Denmark they schould just go ahead and do what they want to. But there are no part of Denmark that want to split away. We all talk the same language - the country is so tiny that we can spit from the one end to the other end.
After the worldwar2 we had people wote in our (and the German)border region about what country they wanted to be a part of - Germany or Denmark. People decided by elections - no problems at all. Solved peacefull - wounderfull coorporation for more then 50 years now of Danes living at the German side - and Germans living at the Danish side.
How can anybody be proud to denie people what they want from all of their heart ? Turkey have used millions of $ to fight the Kurdish freedomfighters/terrorists. I really dont understand what they want with somebody that dont want to have anything to do with them - its the opposite of being proud - it only show the limitations of the Turkish way of thinking (in this question).
I´m very happy that they did not enter the EU this time.
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asphodel
04-10-2003, 8:11 PM
jump you dont know our history and whre the eastern anatolia belongs!!!!! Do you know anything about Mustafa Kemal Atatürk??
Do you know about our history, about all the wars made for freedom?!?!?! all the people died for a free turkey?? it seems you don't know... in Turkey both turkish people and kurdish people are living.... and most of the kurdish people are living in the eastern part... If all the kurdish people live in Denmark and all of them starts to cry "we need a country.. etc etc.." will you agree to divide denmark into 2 parts? answer this... we don't kill kurdish people we don't do anything bad to them... they are living with us in istanbul... Please don't talk about the topics that you don't know anything about... 1st research then come here and tell me your opinion about this, because it is very sad that you don't know the truth.. it looks like all you know about Turkey is Galatasaray....
and Mediman900.... i know you are a brainless idiot... please wash your ass and shut your mouth....
mediman900
04-10-2003, 10:54 PM
asphodel you essak kopioglu yes i know turkish swear words.
fuck off.
why the heck are you telling me to shut up? what the heck did i tell you essak
actually im begining to like Jump, the guy doesnt swear all the time like some of us (yea me included)... we may differ on some points but its nice to be able to talk to someone who doesnt piss you off like asphodel
velmate
04-11-2003, 9:29 AM
JUMP'S WORDS
Yes I know that Turkey ain´t Arabic - everytime I have written Arabic, I have ment the Middle East culture.
And b.t.w. if the Turks are so proud to be Turks - why don´t they leave the eastern part of Turkey to the Kurdes ? What do you want with those people ? you don´t like them - they would rather be independent - let them go in peace, would be bether for both Turks and Kurdes - but mayby we run into some very old (and very oft tryed) Turkish regional ambitions in this question ?
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:D :D :D
Only one word enough IGNORANT ! But i must tell something here why jump is ignorant
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1 - Turkey and Turks arent Middle East Culture:
First you must learn this very well jump. Turks arent middle east nation. If you can go any library and find history books about this you can learn who is Turk and what is the Turk nation...
Turk's mother country is Middle Asia. We came from there around end of the first age finished... Did you heard Hun Empire? Did you heard why Chinese peoples made big wall? GO AND LEARN THIS TOO. Then you can talk about our culture.
i dont know your nation but Turks one of the oldest and developed nation around this time....
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2- "What do you want with those people ? you don´t like them " your words....
First Turks never feel hate or dont like position for kurds. Did you know Turkey's independence war against England, France, Armenia , Greece and Arabs around 1918-1923... Did you heard Urfa, Antep and Maras cities?
Do you know why their name Sanliurfa, Gaziantep and Kahramanmaras now?
Because those cities fight against those countries with kurds and turks, together. so, Turkish goverment gave add those name's to their names
Sanli = glorious
Gazi = Victorious
Kahraman = Hero
If Turks dont like kurds how can more than 4,5 million kurds still live in istanbul or other west of Turkey ?
If Turks dont like kurds how can Turkish goverment expend $300 billion dollars for GAP project to for electiric and irrigate to south-east part of Turkey ?
If Turks dont like kurds how can all kurds have same rights with a turk in Turkey ?
If Turks dont like kurds how can a kurdish man Turgut Ozal can be a Prime Minister than Republic of the President of Turkey ?
If Turks dont like kurd how can %25 of Turkish Parliament's are kurds ?
CAN YOU GIVE ME ANY OTHER COUNTRY, THEIR MINIORITIES HAVE SAME RIGHTS WITH "MAIN" NATION OF COUNTRY ?????
I DONT KNOW ANY DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY ON THE WORLD HAVE THIS RIGHTS.
examples,
Which rights LUPONS have in Sweden, Finland, Norway ????
Which rights TURKS have in Greece ?
Which rights Korsika peoples have in France ?
Which rights Bask Area's peoples have in Spain ?
Which rights Eskimos have by Denmark and Canada ?
Which rights Maoris have by New Zealand ?
Which rights Australian natives have by Australia ?
Which rights Tibet peoples have in China ?
.................................................. ............I CAN ADD HERE THOUSAND EXAMPLES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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3- " What do you want with those people ? you don´t like them - they would rather be independent - let them go in peace, would be bether for both Turks and Kurdes " YOUR WORDS.
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Can you say PKK - KADEK's event is INDEPENDENCE fighting?
PKK - KADEK is a terror orghanization. They arent different then your Al-Queada or ETA or IRA !
EU, USA , Germany, Russia already accept they are "terrorists"
Do you know %50 of europe's drug sell and trade by PKK ?
Do You know this "independence" fighters killed more than 17,000 kurdish civilians in southeastern of Turkey. IS KILL YOUR PEOPLES INDEPENDENCE ?
Do You know their leader Abdullah Ocalan cant speak "kurdish" ?
Do you know %40 of PKK-KADEK members dont know "kurdish" ?
Do you know some of PKK camps in Greece , Belgium and Russia ?
Do you know Turkey and Germany signed a assigment last week for fight against PKK-KADEK and other terror orghanizations in Germany and Turkey ????
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4 - " why don´t they leave the eastern part of Turkey to the Kurdes ? What do you want with those people ?" your words...
First read (2).... Why those countries dont give their lands to those peoples ? They want this more than Turkey's kurds. Even they are killed by those goverment...
Or closed their newspapers and party by Spain goverment and others?
AND TURKS AND KURDS TOOK THIS LANDS FROM ENGLAND,GREECE,FRANCE,RUSSIA,ARMENIA,ITALY,USA WITH FIGHT TOGETHER...
WHY WE MUST GIVE OUR LANDS ? ONLY YOU AND YOUR IDIOT AND DEMOCRATIC(!) :D :D :D COUNTRIES ?
ALL OF THE WORLD STILL CAN SEE ,WHAT YOURS DEMOCRATIC COUNTRIES DO IN AND AGAINST IRAQ !
EUROPE AND USA ONLY THINK IRAQ'S "OILS" !
NOT KURDS
NOT HUMAN RIGHTS
NOT SADDAM
NOT DEMOCRACY
NOT HUMANITY
ONLY MONEY AND OIL !
IT'S EUROPE'S AND USA'S LANGUAGE.
YOU'LL SEE, WHAT USA WILL DO FOR KURDS , WHEN KURDS TRY TO TAKE KERKUK AND MUSUL'S OILS... :machine:
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SO,
IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT TURKS AND KURDS ,
1- LEARN MUCH ABOUT OUR HISTORY AND LIFE
2- COME TO TURKEY AND SEE WITH ONLY YOUR EYES.
3- DONT READ YOUR NEWSPAPERS OR TELEVISIONS. WE COULD SEE WHAT THEY HAVE WRITEN OR SAID AROUND IRAQ WAR.
IF WORLD HAVENT AL-JAZEERA TV, WE COULDNT SEE "REALITY"
4- FIRST FINISH "RACISM" IN YOURS COUNTRIES , IF YOU NEED LESSON COME TO TURKEY AND LEARN
"WITHOUT RACISM" IN A COUNTRY !
MAYBE THIS IS A IMPOSSIBLE IDEA FOR YOU, YOU CAN THINK WE ARE "ALIEN"
BECAUSE YOU CANT FIND ANY "WEST" COUNTRY WITHOUT "RACISM"
WITH RACISM, HOW CAN SOMEBODY TALK ABOUT "HUMAN RIGHTS"
VERY BIG IRONY FOR ME !
footsniffa
04-11-2003, 9:54 AM
oh my fuckin god.. that was absoLute torture to read through.. worse than a turkish prison... don't teLL me about turkey, i saw "midnight express"
nobody Likes the kurds... the whoLe worLd hates them.. foLLowed cLosLy by french-canadians, then texans..
Istanbul was Constantinople
Now it's Istanbul, not Constantinople
Been a long time gone, Constantinople
Now it's Turkish delight on a moonlit night
Every gal in Constantinople
Lives in Istanbul, not Constantinople
So if you've a date in Constantinople
She'll be waiting in Istanbul
Even old New York was once New Amsterdam
Why they changed it I can't say
People just liked it better that way
So take me back to Constantinople
No, you can't go back to Constantinople
Been a long time gone, Constantinople
Why did Constantinople get the works?
That's nobody's business but the Turks
Istanbul (Istanbul)
Istanbul (Istanbul)
Even old New York was once New Amsterdam
Why they changed it I can't say
People just liked it better that way
Istanbul was Constantinople
Now it's Istanbul, not Constantinople
Been a long time gone, Constantinople
Why did Constantinople get the works?
That's nobody's business but the Turks
So take me back to Constantinople
No, you can't go back to Constantinople
Been a long time gone, Constantinople
Why did Constantinople get the works?
That's nobody's business but the Turks
velmate
04-11-2003, 10:11 AM
LAST msg by jump...
How can anybody be proud to denie people what they want from all of their heart ? Turkey have used millions of $ to fight the Kurdish freedomfighters/terrorists. I really dont understand what they want with somebody that dont want to have anything to do with them - its the opposite of being proud - it only show the limitations of the Turkish way of thinking (in this question).
I´m very happy that they did not enter the EU this time.
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how can you compare terrorists with freedomfighters????????
ALL OF THE WORLD ALREADY ACCEPT THEM THEY ARE "TERRORISTS"
about enter the EU.
For myself. i dont want to be a racist and democratic for only their nations in their county club !
Your EU's members :
England - Attack to Iraq with USA for only "OIL" . You'll see this. even , i can bet England will left EU in next a few years for this. Because they cant live with France and Germany while they destroy their oil investements...
Spain - Very democratic county, closed BASK's only part, made forbidden BASK language and closed only BASK newspaper which use BASK language (do you know bask peoples older than all of the european nation? they fight their freedom since Roman empire !)
Belgium - Terror Center of Europe.
DHKP-C , PKK-KADEK still stay in there. One of the DHKP-C member killed famous Turkish business man Ozdemir Sabanci in his office in istanbul 4 years ago , and she escaped from Turkey to Belgium... Belguim's decide
"If a people dont use automatic weapon for kill, he cant be terrorists !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!
SO, A MURDER TOOK FREEDOM BY BELGIUM, WHICH EU'S one of the center !
Italy - All of the world could remember very well how PKK's leader Abdullah Ocalan visited Roma and stayed there more than 2 months....
Sweden - How many lupons killed by Sweden goverment for make their autonom lands smallest. Their lands security under UN control. UNICEF every year look their population. Sweden only accept POPULATION/LAND = X , so, if their population can be down, sweden can use their springs in this lands...
Greece - We know What still Greece do in west Thrace... EU warn them every year for "humanrights" in there....
Germany , Denmark , Holland - How many foreign peoples killed by racist attack in those countries every year, or how many house of them burn?
France - Belgium : World's last and maybe 2nd big genocide supported by them. In Ruanda, at 1996-1998... More than 1,200,000 (you dont read wrong) one million and two hundred thousands TUTSI peoples killed by HUTU's.... Belgium parliament made a decide around those dates "we supported this"
France goverment said same things too...
i can write here a lots of bad things...
FIRST EU MUST BE "HONEST" BY THEMSELVES.
THEN ASK TO TURKEY WHAT DO YOU DO...
i know Turkey isnt best, but i can say better than european countries. We only need better economy. Our peoples have more "freedom" than european peoples. least we dont have
"racism" and "racist" attacks every night and afraid foreigners which wait an attack !
bye
footsniffa
04-11-2003, 10:24 AM
Leave turkey weLL enough aLone... don't Let them in the eu.. be honest with themseLves... smoke turkish hash.. then what.. do what you do not do no Less.. rage against the machine.. one-eyed one-horned fLying purpLe peopLe eater
mmmmmmm turkey
makes me hungary
velmate
04-11-2003, 10:24 AM
"midnight express" is only a dream. Although this prison in this film far better than Germany's, Italy's France's or England's today prisons... You can be sure. go and look if you want to see...
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and if you still say "midnight express", i watched thousands movies about what europe did...
Can you believe only germans can kill 6,000,000 jewish ?
Without other european countries help can you collect 6,000,000 humans in somewhere?
Only France sent to Auchwitz 124,000 jewish with President's sign !
FIRST LOOK MIRROR !
footsniffa
04-11-2003, 10:28 AM
gobbLe gobbLe goo
i've seen thousands of pornographic movies and what they do? Look mirror eat suck die
@velmate
I don´t want to answeer all your questions - just point out a few things.
Turkey have always been a country with regional ambitions. Talk with the people living on Balkan about this - they have experiend Turkish invaders often throughout history.
If the Kurdes are so happy about living in Turkey how come that we have Kurdish 1000s of refugees here in Denmark ? are they all just terrorists ?
Even UK and other European countrys have decided to participate in the war in Iraq - they have done that in a democratic way internal in the countrys. Only problem I see is the legimite of the war at the International level.
Turkey is a multicultural country - including parts the culture of the Middle East - but also with an European culture.
In Denmark we dont burn houses with Turks, nor do we kill them. We have more then 50.000 Turks living in Denmark (1 % of population). Many Danes think that we have to many people here with non christen culture - but they dont kill them.
Denmark is not a racist country. Infact its often the other way around. Just resently a statistic of the crime in Denmark was published. Forign people - about 150.000 (3 % of the population) is represented with 2/3 of all criminal acts in this country.
3 % of the people here commit 66 % of all crime (including a lot of young 2-generation Turks, they are extreemly overrepresented). But still we dont burn their houses - nor do we kill them. And this is also the case in Norway where they had a similar statistic published.
Forigners in Denmark are free to have their own religion, wear the clotses they want - if they have no job (again the Turks are very overrepresented becaurse of their low level of education, and their pour knowledge to the Danish language) they become money from the hardworking taxpayers (social welfare).
Now if my family went to Turkey - robbed banks, commitet sexual abuse against the Turkish women, did not wanted to learn the Turkish language - did not work at all, would I then become money from the Turkish taxpayers ???? Would you garantee my family that our houses (that we want for free also of course) would not be set on fire ????
Now you might think that I want to get rid of all forigners in Denmark - but you are wrong - I do not want that. But I cant really say much to those that want all non-Danes out of our country. One of my best friends is from Iran - bullshit, my very best friend that I have known for nearly 20 years now. But he havent raped anybody - nor have he robbed any banks or liquid stores - nor have he beaten up any innoncent people. He have meet the challange that it is to come to another country and trying to making a living.
I have faith in people - I do belive in the good in every single individual I meet. The race and color of people dont interest me at all. An idiot is an idiot - a good friend is a good friend, and that nothing to do with color or nationallity (usefull for the French discussion also) its simply a question of human qualities.
As for the part of the European countrys with their own regional problems - UK with Northern Ireland - Spain with the Basks. I understand that you use those examples to justefy the Turkish position. For my part I dont understand the English why they dont get this problem solved with elections - and the same in Spain.
You wrote:
Which rights Eskimos have by Denmark and Canada ?
We dont have any eskimos in Denmark and I cant talk for Canidians. If you ment Greenland (part of Denmark) - Greenland have as much independence as they want (but not in forign policy). In history view Denmark have done a lot wrong in Greenland - manly becaurse we didnt really understand their way of life. But today They could not be indenpent (and a huge majority dont want to) becaurse Denmark support them with a lot of money.
jump
berkem
04-11-2003, 11:36 AM
Mediman900, Jump,
Friends; everything isn't fetishism; as I have understood U R avare of that. I exactly know that if I asked you the meanings of "trample" , "face sitting" ,... etc. you would answer immediately.
Although there are many things which I can add to Velmate, I don't want to make this meaningless discussion longer.
There is only one thing I want to say ; nobody please don't comment on the topics which they don't have even a tiny clue. I'm sure that many living on the earth would like to live on a world where there are no borders, no war, no racism, but unfortunately the minority who wants the opposite of these govern the wold, and will continue to govern until the world vanishes!!!!!!!!!!!
footsniffa
04-11-2003, 11:44 AM
don't use no doubLe negatives
@berkem
As sympatic your opinion is, I do understand you - but this is a flame pit - we are all amateurs into politics - but amateurs schould also have the right to express our opinion - we might even learn a few things reading the point of view from other people around the world.
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berkem
04-11-2003, 12:13 PM
Jump,
Your mistake is to try to comment professionally on topics you think you are an amateur. according to your thoughts, you shouldn't surprise when I say "I cannot give a meaning to play football in Belgium". How meaningful is this according to you? Do you think I think the Belgium are untalented?
footsniffa
04-11-2003, 12:17 PM
beLgians are untaLented
BootWorshipper
04-11-2003, 2:02 PM
Well, it is time for me to give my remarks about the war in Iraq...
It is truly a shame that other countries that are completely capable of helping the war effort are not. Of course people will argue that the civillians killed in the war will take away any justification of fighting the war in the first place, to remove a corrupt government. Not many anti-war supporters seem to consider what Saddam has already done to his people. If allowing innocent citizens of a country controlled and murdered by a ruthless tytrant with no value or judgement about the price of human life is acceptable, what is unacceptable in the world today?
If these protesters would look past death statistics and think about the future then they would see it makes sense. If the President (or the leader of your country), murdered someone in your family for no apparent reason at all I think you would be at least a tad bit upset. So, liberating people, the truth that becomes evident at the conclusion of the war is that it was worth causing civillian deaths to save others from a life of opression. Regardless of how long the war takes and how many lives may be lost, the cause will be justified as long as the U.S. government partakes procedures to ensure a successful, peaceful Iraqi government that doesn't kill its people will rule the country. I know that sounded harsh but it is true.
Finally, it is about time something was done about Saddam. He is one of our present day dictators. As we are gaining more and moe proof about North Korea as well, developing weapons of mass destruction, other countries would be more likely to join the U.S. North Korea has been a problem for awhile too. The governments of countries like France see the U.S. led Iraq war as a retaliation for Islamic celebration for 9/11. The U.S. is only saving people from their leader, not taking special operations to stop terrorists from Iraq. Afghanistan happened to have been where the headquarters of Al Queda were located. It was attacked for that reason- especially as the country was being run by the Taliban, another terrorist military group. Afghanistan was liberated. Iraq is being liberated. Help will be supplied to promote these countries successful rehabilitation to a fair government.
North Korea is a probable U.S. target. The problem is, it should be another country that leads the fight against N. Korea and other corrupt countries. France would probably agree that N. Korea is dangerous. The French may even give military support to such an operation. Anti-war protesters would smash the U.S. for going in on charges of "oh boy, another war." Another country, most likely Britain, has to set an example of continuing helping people less fortunate then the U.S., Britain, Canada, Australia, and any other country run by a fair government. I believe President Bush should try and create such a coalition of allied countries to fight for independence for those too oppressed and controlled to launch a rebellion against their evil governments. In the end, if all people are free and enjoy equal freedoms, maybe they would begin to tolerate the differences between Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism.... well maybe not! Thats definitely a long shot lol.
Sorry if this all sounds like dumb fucked up shit. I am a bit fucked up myself right now though. If someone wants to question something I said or agree or even bitch at me go ahead. I'll try and clarify what i was trying to say. Many of my ideas may not seem possible or even make a shred of sense so if you want, I'll elaborate as I don't feel like typing much right now.
Well let me slap a few facts in here for you folks.
"Which rights Eskimos have by Denmark and Canada?"
Well the Inuits, or "Eskimos" as you call them OWN 1/3 of the North West Territories, Yukon and Nunavuk. They actually own the land and are a self governing nation. So they have pretty much all the freedom and rights they can shake a polar bear at.
As for the JEws during WWII, France sent them to Germany you say? Well what about all the countries that turned back refugees and boats full of Jewish people that were trying to escape? Wanna know who those countries were? Here's a few:
Canada
Unites States
Australia
Britain
France
Russia etc...
They/we all turned them back and sent them to their deaths. They had no where to go and no one to help them. So after the war Britain gave them a peice of land in Isreal and they are still fighting for survival today. I don't see Turkey anywhere in that picture helping out either.
turbs
mediman900
04-11-2003, 7:38 PM
Canada is among a few countries in the world that does NOT discriminate among anyone, we take great pride in our natives and they have EVERY right that any other canadian has in the country.... and that is the way it should be aye.
A canadian is a Canadian, regardless of race, origin or religion.
as for Turkey, werent they allies with Nazi Germany back in way back when...?
mediman900
04-11-2003, 7:41 PM
darn it, i wish my picture postings would get so many replies :D
cheers :D
kenrug
04-11-2003, 10:14 PM
Originally posted by turbs
Well let me slap a few facts in here for you folks.
...
As for the Jews during WWII, France sent them to Germany you say? Well what about all the countries that turned back refugees and boats full of Jewish people that were trying to escape? Wanna know who those countries were? Here's a few:
...
Unites States
...
They/we all turned them back and sent them to their deaths. They had no where to go and no one to help them. So after the war Britain gave them a peice of land in Isreal and they are still fighting for survival today. I don't see Turkey anywhere in that picture helping out either.
turbs
Yes, Turbs. You are right. Sadly.
We failed them in many ways. We turned them back, and didn’t act soon enough on the concentration camps, even though we knew. It’s a black mark. And a shame.
But, in the end, we did help them. Even if it wasn’t solely for their benefit, and not fast enough to save so many who died, what we did eventually did free them. To me it sounds similar to our current situation. We didn’t act soon enough, even though we knew what was going on. To me, in several ways, it’s worse. We encouraged the victims to rise up, promising help if they only would show a little effort on their own behalf.
Then we abandoned them.
Some of them, in Saddam’s sick retribution, were made to lie down on roads while they were paved over with hot asphalt and steamrollers, alive. Good Christ. I'll never get that thought out of my mind. Never.
We failed them, inexcusably. And we owed them our blood to liberate them. We had promised this to them.
We’re making it right now, as best we can. We know we still face daunting challenges. Yeah we can aim a 2000 lb bomb at a gnat’s left testicle, but can we deal with the complexities of reconstructing a civil society? I dearly hope so, for if we can’t then civil war will replace the newborn freedom. I have to say that civil war is probably better than where they were, but it’s not the best that can be done. Should be done.
Despite the accusations by our European brethren that we’re amateurs and unsophisticated, the American people are maturing, learning from our mistakes in the past. But we’re not learning cynicism, which Europe has seemed to learn. We’re trying to fit our joy of freedom, and the sincere wish that others might have it, into a world that is nasty, mean and cruel.
I find the belief, by many around the world, that we’re after oil to be a sad evaluation. I’m not fool enough to think that there are not those in positions of power who might have their own agendas. But we’ll keep them in check. We’ll use their misguided energy to our own ends, not the other way around. But to think than an entire people are motivated by such selfish lust for oil that we’d commit war against another country is beyond the pale. I have my quibbles about the French, but never, not once have I accused the majority of them to be that disgusting.
The first phase of our effort is closing now. I’m watching the news and seeing happy Iraqis. And relieved marines. Those young men seem to be so affected by the greeting they’ve received. They know that they are receiving the gratitude of so many people, and it humbles them in a strange way. They will remember this forever. They’re not arrogant. They’re surprised that the people there are so happy to see them. They’re emotionally naked. Strange and happy to see that our boys are not bastards. This is truly a new generation.
And kudos to Edward Chin, whom I saw interviewed about an hour before he placed the American flag over the face of that statue, so eloquent in his accented English. He’ll catch some hell for putting the Flag there. But the fact that he wasn’t born here, and still felt so moved by the moment to express his pride and mutual joy with the crowd, says volumes about his character.
He is the best of us. And we know that.
He is America.
smotherman
04-12-2003, 3:34 AM
Mediman900.
AMEN very well said.You`ve hit the nail right on the head.Everytone who is protesting this war has absolutely nothing bettert o do with his/her time.The war is already here people wake the fuck up and relize this fact.They just want their 10 minutes of fame knowing their protesting probably will be aired on TV.Instead of protesting something that is inevitable,Try supporting our Troops, our coalition, Bush/Blair and shut the fuck up about your stupid whining shit.Whether you protest or not.They war won`t stop so why even bother fucking protesting you dumbasses
Whether you protest or not.They war won`t stop so why even bother fucking protesting you dumbasses [/B][/QUOTE]
True, but it's everybody's right to be heard and they are using that right. The pro war people have the right to be heard also. Next time someone bitches at something they don't like, try organizing a protest and be heard as a loud voice...it ain't easy. They are not fucking idiots, they are people that want to be heard and are actually doing something about it instead of staying on the couch with their hands in their pants.
standing up for what you believe. That's all that is.
turbs
velmate
04-12-2003, 7:04 AM
your words "as for Turkey, werent they allies with Nazi Germany back in way back when...? "
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Which planet did you came from?
Turkey and Sweden only countries on the europe didnt joined World War 2. Even, Turkey took more than 100,000 jewish peoples from Germany for help to them... You can go Israel and ask to them...
If you talk about World War 1,
Ottoman Empire,Germany , Austria-Hungary and Bulgaria against Russia,Italy,France,England,Greece and others...
But Ottoman Empire forced joined this war with tricks by Germany and England. so, they must selected a side for them.
i'm happy they dont select England,USA or others side.
Although Germany didnt help to Ottoman Empire when we need. We war against others alone...
If You can read history or ask to jewish peoples in israel,spain...etc.,
Ottoman Empire and Turks 3 time helped to them against their murders...
Around Inquisiton of Spain thousands jewish escape to Ottoman Empire, or while all of the europe killed 6,000,000 jewishes...
Can you really believe, only germans could kill more than 6 million jewish without other europeans help?
Example, Denmark,France,Austria,Holland, Sweden(*), Finland,Greece,Italy... You can find historical documents about which country send to Auchwits how many jewish with their president's signs !
* Sweden didnt joined WW2, because they gave to permission of use their lands to Nazi Germany for capture Norway. since those dates, Norway and Sweden dont like together !
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About Canada's and Denmark's natives... (you can read jump too..)
You talk about their "rights" ..etc... But can you say they have same right with a canadian citizen?
NO ! Impossible, its not fit your democratic(!) ideas !
Same for Denmark, an eskimo on Grönland or Denmark, have same rights with a "real" Denmark citizen ?
NO !
BUT a kurd have same rights with a turk in Turkey. Only Goverment's main language is Turkish...
Because Kurdish isnt a language. Example, an syrian kurd cant talk with a Turkey-Kurd or Iran-Kurd with his kurdish language...
ALTHOUGH HOW CAN YOU JUMP ASK "WHY TURKEY DONT LEFT SOUTHEAST PART OF TURKEY TO KURDS" ???
I CAN ASK WITH SAME WAY,
WHY CANADA AND DENMARK DONT LEFT THEIR LAND TO ESKIMOS ?
I DONT SAY AUTONOMY LIKE GRÖNLAND, I SAY SAME WITH YOU "REAL INDEPENDENCE" !
WHEN SPAIN, DENMARK , CANADA OR ANOTHER COUNTRY WILL BE READY TO GIVE THEIR LANDS TO THEIR NATIVES FOR INDEPENDENCE AND BUILD A NEW COUNTRY FOR THEM,
TURKEY WILL BE READY , UNTIL THIS DAY ALL OF YOU MUST "SHUT UP" ABOUT THIS !
TURKEY ONLY COUNTRY ON THE WORLD LIVE WITHOUT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEIR CITIZENS. WE DONT HAVE MINORITY DESCRIBE TO OUR CITIZENS EXCEPT ARMENIANS AND GREEKS BY LOZAN PACT.
MAYBE YOU COULDN UNDERSTAND THIS VERY WELL. YOUR HIGH LEVEL(!) DEMOCRATIC COUNTRIES DONT KNOW AND DONT UNDERSTAND THIS HIGH LEVEL IDEA =
"HUMANS CAN LIVE TOGETHER WITH PEACE AND WITHOUT RACIST FEELINGS OR WITHOUT DIFFERENCES LIKE COLOR, ETHNIC ORIGINS, RELIGIONS"
BECAUSE,
1- THIS INTELLIGENCE MORE DEVELOPED THAN YOUR DEMOCRATIC INTELLIGENCE
2- TURKEY ONLY COUNTRY ON EUROPE HAVE " LAICISIM"
WHAT IS THEY LAICISM?
- RELIGION AND GOVERMENT DONT EFFECT TOGETHER
- THIS COUNTRY DONT HAVE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN RELIGIONS, LANGUAGES, RACES, ETHNIC ORIGINS... FOR "RIGHTS" AND EVERYBODY HAVE FREEDOM ABOUT THEM.
SO, IN TURKEY NOBODY HAVE DIFFERENCES FOR RIGHTS.
SO, ALL KURDS HAVE SAME RIGHTS WITH ALL TURKS.
ONLY DIFFERENCE ABOUT GOVERMENT'S WRITING LANGUAGE IS TURKISH. BECAUSE ALL COUNTRY USE AND NEED THIS FOR BE TOTALITY.
EXAMPLE, CAN DENMARK GOVERMENT USE ESKIMO LANGUAGE IN THEIR GOVERMENT DOCUMENTS ???? NO !
FIRST, EUROPE MUST REACH TURKEY'S LEVEL ABOUT THEM. THEN ALL OF YOU CAN TALK ABOUT SOMETHINGS.
KURDS IN SOUTHEAST OF TURKEY HAVE ONLY ONE PROBLEM
"ECONOMY". BECAUSE TURKEY LOST $500 billlion dollars for terrorism and re-build destroyed schools,companies, roads, bridges by those terrorists....
most ironic thing in this, this terror supported by europe with money and weapons... by democratic(!) and high level (!) countries like DENMARK, BELGIUM, HOLLAND, GERMANY , FRANCE (especially Deniela Mitterand) , GREECE (camps in there too), SWEDEN, RUSSIA, ITALY, SWISS...maybe they earn money with this ha? :2guns:
*************READ THIS LAST PART *******************
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*************VERY INTERESTING *********************
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And i want to give all you an interesting news from last week.
You must know Nokia's new GSM telephones.They will use different languages ..etc.
Last Week Nokia say " We will use English,German,Turkish etc..."
and "Some kurds wanted from us, please use kurdish language on your telephones. WE GIVE THEM AN ANSWER WHICH KURDISH ISNT A LANGUAGE, SO WE CANT USE THIS ON OUR TELEPHONES"
:D :D :D
WHICH COUNTRY'S COMPANY NOKIA ?
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@velmate
WHY CANADA AND DENMARK DONT LEFT THEIR LAND TO ESKIMOS ?
I have already answeered this. Its simply becaurse they dont want to be indenpendent. Greenland have free elections. There is even a party that want to be indenpendant from Denmark - but they dont get much votes.
Same for Denmark, an eskimo on Grönland or Denmark, have same rights with a "real" Denmark citizen ?
Exactly the same rights - and that goes for every citizen. Thats a must in a democracy, we can not have laws that is not for every citizen. The only time in the Danish (newer) history where we had a law that was for a specific group of people was about 10 years ago where our parlament decided that a group of palestines schould be alloud to stay in Denmark even their request to be recognised as political refugees had been rejecktet by the authorities that work with this requests.
I DONT SAY AUTONOMY LIKE GRÖNLAND, I SAY SAME WITH YOU "REAL INDEPENDENCE" !
Already answeered above
TURKEY WILL BE READY , UNTIL THIS DAY ALL OF YOU MUST "SHUT UP" ABOUT THIS !
I´m not used to shut up about things - mayby its becaurse I live in a democracy.
EXAMPLE, CAN DENMARK GOVERMENT USE ESKIMO LANGUAGE IN THEIR GOVERMENT DOCUMENTS ???? NO !
Why even try answeer a question that you dont have a clue about! - let me ask back: is your question and answeer a guess ?
best from jump
still recomending the site of Amnesty International - that will give you compleatly another picture of Turkey as presented in your posting.
Nunavut was created out of a desire to bring government closer to the people — both physically, and in spirit.
Yellowknife, the capital of the Northwest Territories, from which Nunavut was governed until April 1999, is as far from Iqaluit as Vancouver is from Thunder Bay, Ontario. Now the territory's capital is, for most residents of Nunavut, closer to home, and a policy of decentralized government — in which territorial government departments are headquartered in various of the larger Nunavut communities — brings the administration of day-to-day affairs still closer.
Perhaps more importantly, the new territory permits territorial-level government to reflect the circumstances of the central and eastern Arctic, which are very different economically and culturally than those in the western Arctic.
The creation of Nunavut also returned to Inuit control over their own affairs. Although Inuit did not have formal governments when they lived nomadically in scattered camps before being moved into permanent settlements by the Canadian government earlier this century, there were camp bosses and an informal system of management that served Inuit well.
Inuit negotiators recognized as early as the 1970s that while a land claim agreement could go a long way toward preserving the traditional Inuit way of life, political control of the central and eastern Arctic — and all the decisions that a territorial government makes which impact education, economic development, and more — were equally important.
The Nunavut Land Claims Agreement (NLCA) and the Nunavut Act — the Act that created the new territory and government — work together in several ways:
* the NLCA guarantees that Inuit participation in the civil service (85 per cent, ultimately) will reflect the ethnic makeup of the territory
* under the NLCA, both Inuit and the territorial and federal governments have guaranteed representation on institutions of public government responsible for issues that are left to the federal government alone in Canada's territories — these include agencies such as the Nunavut Water Board and Nunavut Wildlife Management Board, which make decisions affecting Crown (federal) lands and offshore areas
* it is hoped that provisions in the NLCA intended to kickstart Nunavut's wage economy will eventually make Nunavut less dependent on federal government transfers.
@velmate
This is a law made by the "Greenland Home Rule" about supporting the political partys of Greenland economic to enforce the democratic proces in Greenland. Its not written in Danish so I guess it must be in their own language. You are welcome to check it out.
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Naalakkersuinikkut sulinermut aningaasatigut tapiissuteqartarneq pillugu Inatsisartut inatsisaat nr. 1, 31. maj 2001-imeersoq.
§ 1. Inatsisartuni naalakkersuinikkut sulineq nukittorsarumallugu naalakkersuinikkut partiit, kattusseqatigiillu Inatsisartuni ilaasortaatitaqartut inuillu ataasiakkaat partiit avataatigut qinigaasimasut aningaasanik tapiiffigineqartarput.
Imm. 2. Inatsisartuni ilaasortanut, partii kattusseqatigiilluunniit sinnerlugit qinigaasimasunut, partiimit kattusseqatigiinnilluunniit tunuartunut tapiissuteqartoqartassaartaaq.
Imm. 3. Tamatuma saniatigut kommunimut Inatsisartunulluunniit qineqqusaarnermut aningaasartuutit tapiiffigineqarsinnaapput.
Inatsisartuni sulinermut tapiissutit
§ 2. Naalakkersuinikkut suliniaqatigiiffik, partii, Inatsisartuni qinikkanik sinniisoqartoq partiip naalakkersuinikkut sulineranut tapiiffigineqarsinnaatitaavoq. Tapiissut ukiumut angissuseqarpoq partiip qinigaatitaanut tamanut 100.000 kr.-inik.
Imm. 2. Inatsisartuni ilaasortaq partiit avataatigut qinigaasimasoq naalakkersuinikkut sulinerminut tapiiffigineqarsinnaatitaavoq. Tapiissut ukiumut 100.000 kr.-iuvoq.
Imm. 3. Inatsisartuni ilaasortat kattusseqatigiillutik arlaliullutik qinigaasimagunik naalakkersuinikkut sulinerminnut ataatsimoortumik tapiiffigineqarsinnaatitaapput. Kattusseqatigiit sinnerlugit qinigaasunut tamanut tapiissut ukiumut 100.000 kr.-iuvoq.
Imm. 4. Immikkoortut 1-imiit 3-mut malillugit tapiiffigineqarnissamik qinnuteqaatit ukiumi qinnuteqarfiusumi tunniutereersimaneqassapput kingusinnerpaamik ukiumi qinnuteqarfiusumi 1. marts.
§ 3. Partii, kattusseqatigiit imaluunniit ilaasortaq partiit avataatigut qinigaasoq siusinnerusukkut Inatsisartuni ilaasortaasimanngikkuni tapiiffigineqarsinnaatitaavoq § 2, imm. 1 - 3 malillugit.
Imm. 2. Imm. 1 malillugu tapiissutit ukiumi qinersiviusumi tunniunneqassapput qaammammit qinersivimmiit ukiumut tapiissutissat agguaqatigiinnerat naapertorlugu.
Imm. 3. Imm. 1 malillugu naalakkersuinikkut sulinermut tapiissutissanik qinnuteqaat kingusinnerpaamik tunniunneqarsimassaaq qinersinerup kingornatigut qaammatit marluk qaangiunneranni.
§ 4. Inatsisartuni ilaasortaq partiimiit kattusseqatigiinnilluunniit qinigaasimasoq partiimit kattusseqatigiinnilluunniit tunuartoq Inatsisartuni naalakkersuinikkut sulinerminut tapiiffigineqarsinnaatitaavoq. Tapiissut angissuseqarpoq ukiumut 100.000 kr.-inik.
Imm. 2. Imm. 1 malillugu tapiissutit tunniunneqartassapput ukiumi partiimit kattusseqatigiinnilluunniit tunuarfiusumi qaammammit partiimit kattusseqatigiinilluunniit tunuarfiup naaneraniit agguaqatigiissillugu ukiumoortumik pisassat tunngavigalugit.
Imm. 3. Imm. 1 malillugu tapiissutit qinnutigineqassapput partiimit kattuseqatigiinnilluunniit tunuarnerup kingornatigut kingusinnerpaamik qaammatit marluk qaangiunneranni.
Naatsorsuinermi tunngaviusut
§ 5. §§ 2 - 4 malillugit tapiissutit qinnuteqareernikkut ukiumut ataasiarlutik tunniunneqartarput 1. januarimiit 31. decembarimut atuuttussatut.
Imm. 2. § 2, imm. 1 aamma 3 malillugit tapiissutit naatsorsorneqartassapput ukiumi qinnuteqarfimmi 1. januarimi ilaasortaqassuseq tunngavigalugu. Ukiumi qinnuteqarfiusumi tapiissutit naatsorsorneqaqqissanngillat 1. januarimiit 31. decembarimut ilaasortat qinigaasut allanngornerat patsisigalugu.
Imm. 3. Tapiissutit § 2 aamma 4 malillugu partiimut, kattusseqatigiinnut ilaasortanulluunniit ataasiakkaanut ilaasortaajunnaartumulluunniit ukiumi qinersiviusumi tunniutassat ikilineqaratilluunniit amerlineqassanngillat ukiumi qinersivimmi 1. januarimut sanilliullugu ilaasortaatitat allanngorsimagaluarpataluunniit.
Qineqqusaarnermut tapiissutit
§ 6. Partii partiilluunniit avataatigut nunaqarfinni aqutsisunut, kommunimut Inatsisartunulluunniit qineqqusaartoq qinersineq sioqqullugu naalakkersuinikkut sulinermini aningaasartuutiminut tapiiffigineqarsinnaavoq.
Imm. 2. Partiinut partiillu avataatigut qinigassanngortittunut tapiissutit aningaasat inatsisaanni aalajangerneqartassapput.
§ 7. Qinersineq sioqqullugu naalakkersuinikkut sulisimanermut tapiissutit qinnutigineqassapput kingusinnerpaamik qinersinerup kingornatigut qaammatit marluk qaangiunneranni.
Qinnuteqarneq aningaasallu tigunerat
§ 8. §§ 2 - 4 malillugit qinnuteqaatit Inatsisartut Siulittaasoqarfiannut tunniunneqassapput, tassa taakkua aalajangissammassuk tapiiffigineqarnissamut piumasaqaatit eqqortinneqarsimanersut.
Imm. 2. Tapiiffigineqarnissamik qinnuteqaat tunniunneqassaaq partiip siulersuisuunerinit, kattusseqatigiit sinniisuannit aamma partiit avataatigut Inatsisartuni ilaasortaasumit imaluunniit partiit avataatigut qinigassanngortittumit tapiissutillu taakkununnga tunniunneqassapput.
Imm. 3. § 6 malillugu tapiiffigineqarnissamik qinnuteqaatit Naalakkersuisunut tunniunneqartassapput.
§ 9. Inatsisartut inatsisaat manna naapertorlugu tapiissutit bankimi kontumut immikkut inissitamut ikineqassapput, taakkulu siunertanut allanut atorneqassanngillat.
Imm. 2. §§ 2 - 4-imut malillugit tapiissutinik tigusisartut ukiut tamaasa qinnuteqarnerminnut aammalu naatsorsuutinik kukkunersiukkanik nassiussinerminnut ilanngullugu Inatsisartut Siulittaasoqarfiannut uppernarsarlugu nalunaarutigisassavaat qaamatisiutit ukiuanni qaangiuttu-mi tapiissutit naalakkersuinikkut sulinermut ilumut atorneqarsimasut, kiisalu tamanna nangeq-qinneqassasoq. Taamatut uppernarsaalluni nalunaaruteqartoqanngippat Inatsisartut Siulittaasoqarfiat aalajangersinnaavoq tapiissutit tunniutassat tulliit kinguartinneqassasut tunniutinngiinnarneqassasulluunniit.
Imm. 3. § 6 malillugu tapiissuteqarfigineqarsimasut qinersinerup kingorna kingusinnerpaamik qaammatit pingasut qaangiunneranni uppernarsarlugu Naalakkersuisunut nalunaarutigissavaat aningaasat qinersineq sioqqullugu naalakkersuinikkut suliniarnermut ilumut atorneqarsimasut. 25.000-init amerlanerusunik tapiissutisisimasut uppernarsarlugu nalunaarumminnut ilanngullu-git tapiissutit atorneqarnerinut naatsorsuutinik kukkunersiukkanik nassiussaqassapput. Taamatut uppernarsarlugu nalunaaruteqartoqanngippat imaluunniit naatsorsuutinik kukkunersiukkanik nassiussisoqanngippat Naalakkersuisut aalajangersinnaavaat tapiissutigineqarsimasut tamakker-lugit ilaannakorlugilluunnit utertinneqassasut.
§ 10. Inatsit manna naapertorlugu tapiissutaasut isertitatut akileraarutaasussatut isigineqassanngillat. Tapiissutit erniatigut isertitaqaataasimappata akileraarutissanut ilanngunneqassanngillat.
Imm. 2. Inatsit manna malillugu tapiissutinut aningaasartuutit Nunatta karsianit matuneqassapput.
§ 11. Inatsit atortuulerpoq 1. januar 2002.
Imm. 2. 2001-imi tapiissutigineqarsimasut pillugit § 9 malillugu naatsorsuutinik kukkunersiuk-kanik nassiussisoqassanngilaq.
Imm. 3. Tamatuma peqatigisaanik atorunnaarsinneqassapput naalakkersuinikkut suliaqarnermut tapiissutit pillugit Inatsisartut inatsisaat nr. 9, 31. oktober 1995-imeersoq kiisalu naalakkersuinikkut suliaqarnermut Inatsisartut inatsisaata allannguutaa nr. 5, 11. november 2000-imeersoq.
Namminersornerullutik Oqartussat, ulloq 31. maj 2001
Jonathan Motzfeldt / Søren Hald Møller
footsniffa
04-12-2003, 4:22 PM
wow! turkey is the best country in the worLd.. i had no idea. aLL this time i thought they were one of the shittier countries.
asphodel
04-12-2003, 9:46 PM
Character Sheet for Footsniffa
Strength:12
Dexterity:16
Constitution:14
Intelligence:1
Wisdom:1
Charisma:8
Race->Half-Ling (Idýot)
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Tell me footsniffa Where are you from? USA? please answer....
footsniffa
04-12-2003, 10:13 PM
sorry if you can't figure that out.... as a feLLow geek, you shouLd know i reside in middLe earth
asphodel
04-12-2003, 10:23 PM
but there is no middle earth in Forgotten Realms.... Do you mean Faerun????? you are very funny friend.. :thebird:
footsniffa
04-12-2003, 10:28 PM
Originally posted by asphodel
you are very funny friend.. :thebird:
yes i was gonna take my act on the road, but i figure i can reach a much Larger audience here on the internet
mediman900
04-12-2003, 11:00 PM
@ turbs
well said buddy
@
asphodel
you seem very agitated, maybe you should get trampled by some GREEK women ;) :D:D
If I was Saddam Hussein I woulden´t reveal my self either
jump
velmate
04-13-2003, 3:35 AM
TO JUMP AGAIN....
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I have already answeered this. Its simply becaurse they dont want to be indenpendent. Greenland have free elections. There is even a party that want to be indenpendant from Denmark - but they dont get much votes.
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If this is true, What is different for Turkey? Kurds dont have enough vote for autonomy or independence and they dont take. (Only %20 of Turkey's) Althouth Only %20 of kurds support parties about this idea in Turkey.
But You dont understand this. You cant fix this type problem with democracy. In democracy their votes never can be enough for take independence, because they are already minority, so, their populations can t be more than half !
And It's only a dirty trick. I dont believe Denmark can give their lands to them. Maybe Denmark can give Grönland to them. But If they will say "we have rights on Denmark's some of other parts on Europe?"
I'm not sure Denmark or another european country can give a part of their home lands... So, it's only a dirty trick.
Because Denmark or other countries already captured those peoples lands for make "colonies" . Denmark or others dont give them Denmark's or others lands, they can only give them their home lands
Turkey and others have difference on this point. Southeastern part isnt a colony or kurds homelands. All of the Turkey is Kurds and Turks home lands !
We have live there together for more than 1000 years... so, we arent togethers "owner" or "colony".
Kurds and Turks live together with same rights and same feelings together since 900s...
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Exactly the same rights - and that goes for every citizen. Thats a must in a democracy, we can not have laws that is not for every citizen. The only time in the Danish (newer) history where we had a law that was for a specific group of people was about 10 years ago where our parlament decided that a group of palestines schould be alloud to stay in Denmark even their request to be recognised as political refugees had been rejecktet by the authorities that work with this requests.
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We dont have difference about this. Only Greeks and Armenians minority on Turkey by LOZAN PACT. We cant make things against LOZAN PACT, because LOZAN PACT one of the base for Republic of Turkey . If we will broke this, all other sides (England, Greece ...etc) can broke .
And democracy not enough for same rights for evert citizen in a country without laws. Because If you dont have enough laws for this like laicism etc...
Big groups always control "democracy" !
And eskimos cant take their independence in this democracy. They cant find % 51 vote for this. IMPOSSIBLE !
but this is denmark's problem not Turkey's... In Turkey we dont have any problem with turks, kurds.... And Turkey's kurds never want "independence".
They want to live in more better economy. But only terror took their $500 billion dollars, schools, companies on there... by europe's support.
so, they lost their richness . Turkey try to re-build there again slowly...
But a lots of European countries (include Denmark) earn billion dollars by terror. With selling weapons to terrorists ! Before democracy, Europe must finish "terrorism" support in europe. Still europe dont have laws or ideas about terrorism. EU still dont decide what they will do.
Belgium, Sweden, Italy, Greece , Holland , Denmark , France still with terrorism.
Last example by Belgium:
FEHRIYE ERDAL member of DHKP-C, Murder of Ozdemir Sabanci (Famous business man)
Belgium's decide about her : "She isnt terrorist. She didnt use automatic weapon against Ozdemir Sabanci. Terrorists must use automatic weapons. Yes, she is murder but she must be free. We will give to them freedom."
It's Europe's democracy and law in one of the centre of EU !
Take Care,
velmate
04-13-2003, 4:02 AM
Originally posted by turbs
Nunavut was created out of a desire to bring government closer to the people — both physically, and in spirit.
Yellowknife, the capital of the Northwest Territories, from which Nunavut was governed until April 1999, is as far from Iqaluit as Vancouver is from Thunder Bay, Ontario. Now the territory's capital is, for most residents of Nunavut, closer to home, and a policy of decentralized government — in which territorial government departments are headquartered in various of the larger Nunavut communities — brings the administration of day-to-day affairs still closer.
Perhaps more importantly, the new territory permits territorial-level government to reflect the circumstances of the central and eastern Arctic, which are very different economically and culturally than those in the western Arctic.
The creation of Nunavut also returned to Inuit control over their own affairs. Although Inuit did not have formal governments when they lived nomadically in scattered camps before being moved into permanent settlements by the Canadian government earlier this century, there were camp bosses and an informal system of management that served Inuit well.
Inuit negotiators recognized as early as the 1970s that while a land claim agreement could go a long way toward preserving the traditional Inuit way of life, political control of the central and eastern Arctic — and all the decisions that a territorial government makes which impact education, economic development, and more — were equally important.
The Nunavut Land Claims Agreement (NLCA) and the Nunavut Act — the Act that created the new territory and government — work together in several ways:
* the NLCA guarantees that Inuit participation in the civil service (85 per cent, ultimately) will reflect the ethnic makeup of the territory
* under the NLCA, both Inuit and the territorial and federal governments have guaranteed representation on institutions of public government responsible for issues that are left to the federal government alone in Canada's territories — these include agencies such as the Nunavut Water Board and Nunavut Wildlife Management Board, which make decisions affecting Crown (federal) lands and offshore areas
* it is hoped that provisions in the NLCA intended to kickstart Nunavut's wage economy will eventually make Nunavut less dependent on federal government transfers.
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FEDERAL GOVERMENT? Where is the independence? Where is the same rights? Where is the some part of Canada's home lands?
Federalism isnt "independence" or %100 same rights with real citizens of this country.
What does it mean? Nunavuts dont have same rights then this in Canada's other lands with citizens of Canada.
And Nunavuts dont take their freedom or lands, only they take their land's federal rights back from Canada's control.
They are colonies of Canada. But Kurds arent colony for Turkey. Turkey or Ottoman Empire didnt have colonies like European countries.
All peoples in Turkey have same rights. Even, every people in Turkey (greek,armenian,kurds,turks...) can be a President in Turkey if he can find enough vote. is it possible in Canada?
Can a Nunavut be a president of Canada?
Or an eskimo can be a President in Denmark ?
But a kurd can be President in Turkey like Turgut Ozal between 1983-1994. He has been Prime Minister for 8 years than President of Republic !
Or Still Turkish parliament's %25 are kurds.
Is it possible on canada or denmark? NO
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And JUMP ask to us "why Turkey dont leave those lands to them"
He dont talk about federalism, he talk about independence.
It's very funny point. When subject is canada or denmark, they can give "autonomy" or "federalism". but when subject is Turkey, Turkey must give "independence".
DEMOCRACY ONLY FOR TURKEY ?
I THINK, EUROPE USE DEMOCRACY WITH ONLY THEIR WAYS WITH DIRTY TRICKS.
"if eskimos can find enough vote, they can be independence. "
:D
But, Kurds dont have enough vote, because only %4-5 of them maybe(!) want this,
"why Turkey dont give to them independence and lands"
:mad:
I KNOW ONLY ONE WORD FOR THIS
" H Y P O C R I S Y "
velmate, I give up!
For starters we don't have a president here, so do some research before you start talking about things you don't know about. We do have natives in very high ranks of the government, we also have women there, some are arabs, we are the most multicultural country on the planet. Your claims hold no merits, you give me facts and maybe then I will consider debating with you. Till then all you're doing is blowing smoke and you are just speculating.
turbs
kenrug
04-13-2003, 1:40 PM
Originally posted by turbs
...we are the most multicultural country on the planet. ...
???????!
Originally posted by kenrug
???????!
Hey, *I* wasn't going to laugh... :D
Originally posted by kenrug
???????!
What?
kenrug
04-13-2003, 2:50 PM
Turbs, buddy. C’mon. The US has citizens from every ethnicity and nationality on the planet. Canada likely does as well, but our percentages are higher (minorities as compared to total population). We have substantial minority communities with African Americans and Hispanics into the double-digits. Canada has more Asians per capita (well into the double-digits), but we have a lot, too.
It all could also come down to how you slice the pie chart. Are Hispanics culturally “white”? What about immigrants (and their descendants) from the Caribbean islands? Mexico? Central and South America? Also, I am a mix of European blood and cultural influences. Don't I count as part of US cultural diversity? Etcetera, etcetera, etcetera
It’s probably true that Canada has citizens (subjects? I don’t honestly know, considering Commonwealth membership) from everywhere too. If that’s the case then we come to a place where no country can lay claim to being the most culturally diverse. If both countries have people from everywhere then we're equally diverse, if you measure it that way.
If you count percentages of population then the US exceeds Canada (unless you separate Anglophones and Francophones, then you’d have a point. Though I think it's illegitimate to base claims of cultural diversity on French Canadians since they were one of the two base cultures from which Canada, as a nation, was established). If you count the influence of minority cultures on the national culture at large, then I’d have to say that, again, the US exhibits more of this than does Canada. Of course, all this ignores the sheer quantitative differences between the two populations. Then again, that's not a legitimate method of measurement either, to my mind, even though it would add to my own argument.
Ken,
Yes the US as a far greater population pool than Canada, no doubt about that. But I was refering to culturism and it's affect on population. Stats Canada states that Canada has over 240 different cultures imbedded in the country, and most are also accepted by the population. Americans on the other hand still have a hard time accepting blacks in the country. Not a fair statement maybe considering it is based only on certain parts of the country but you guys still have culture clashes.
We were not named the best country to live in 7 years in a row for no reason.
turbs
kenrug
04-13-2003, 6:49 PM
Turbs,
Hmmm. I'll have to research this.
Quick question, though: How (or rather, by whom) was it concluded that Canada is the best country in which to live? I’m not saying it’s not true, but I’d like to know what it actually means. Is it based on average income? Standards of governmental services? I’m jut trying to get a read of what “best” means. And I’d like to know who (or which organization) made the evaluation.
Thanks for the info. I’ll try to come up with some numbers to confirm or counter.
Ken
Ken,
These standards are established by the United Nations, I know the US is not a big fan of the UN at the moment but fear not the US was not far behind. What usually puts us ahead of all other countries is our free health care (no it's not perfect but hell it's free), our high standard of living and our very low crime rates.
turbs
here let me help :)
http://www.english-vancouver.com/canada-human-development/
mediman900
04-13-2003, 11:49 PM
btw
Vancouver was choosen as the second best city in the world to live in!! that was about a month ago, we came in after a European city (Zurich was it?)
mediman900
04-13-2003, 11:55 PM
good info on Canada turbs... :)
footsniffa
04-14-2003, 4:09 AM
vancouver is great!!! maybe when my contract is done here, i'LL move out there. some of the dankest nugs come from there.
kenrug
04-14-2003, 5:36 AM
Originally posted by footsniffa
vancouver is great!!! ...
Can't argue with that. The first fetish party I ever attended was there. Beautiful setting for a city. Cute girls, too, heh heh.
asphodel
04-14-2003, 9:16 AM
Originally posted by mediman900
@ turbs
well said buddy
@
asphodel
you seem very agitated, maybe you should get trampled by some GREEK women ;) :D:D
hehehehehe.... AHAHHHHAHAAHHH :D :D :D :D i am saying bad word to all people but i am laughing here.... i want only get some people angry... beacuse of this i answered you reply (that occurs a lot of fingers in it) with laughing :D here is a good place.. every body quickly gets angry NÝAHAOHAAHUHA
asphodel
04-14-2003, 9:23 AM
yesterday while I was watching tv... i watched geroge's words.. may be usa will goint to declare war againts Suria... But now i am thinking.. do you know anything about oil at Suria...
but thats funny i have watched a lot of idiot's fight about oil...
aa ned to add this Tlevesion says that (in Turkey) there is no sign about Saddam Huseyin and Republic Soldiers..?!?!?! ahahahhaah what do you think... :D :D may be USa's celever misilles have to be more clever.... coordination=0 !!!
footsniffa
04-14-2003, 9:25 AM
oooh.. now i'm reaLLy angry
asphodel
04-14-2003, 9:29 AM
I think the most beautiful place on the earth is!!! Graveyard... beacuse you haven't got any problem... you have relaxed dead... only problem is you have to face with god... the if you are good you are happy if you are not good person you are fucked aahahahaha...
The best country is Tasmania because of TASMANIA DEVIL's!!!!!!!!!
I am not a lucky man... If i had been lucky, i would have born in the Mars as an ameoba instead of living in this planet as a human..
footsniffa
04-14-2003, 9:31 AM
i'm going to kiLL aLL the night